RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

RonRon wrote:as the years goes up, he gets made more, and his FT well, stays in the 50% range

NO ONE is going to want to pay him MAX $$$$, Majority of team would rather have a bunch of YOUNG talented roster on rookie contracts and minimum salary for a chance of 2015 than trade for Griffen

So that leaves players that are one player away

now what team that is missing a PF that shoots 50% FT to lead them to the finals?

In fact he doesn't even rebound on a consistent basis, he had higher value on his first couple years in the league, based just on potential, and now that he is payed max, that is just the way it is sometimes
He doesn't justify his contract despite his physical abilities, especially under this CBA

Dude, what are you talking about? With exception to one season (his 2nd, which was only 66 games due to the lockout), Blake has never shot below 64% from the stripe. And even if he did shoot in the 50% range, who cares? It has never made or broke a player before. Most Hall of Fame big men were piss poor to mediocre free throw shooters (e.g. Shaq, Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone) and they evidently did just fine in their careers. Dwight Howard might be the worst free throw shooter of our era, and teams were tripping over themselves to max him out this past offseason. So let's not pretend it's the end all, be all of a players value especially when the number of fouls he draws mean so much more to the team.

As for him being overpaid, I think that's ridiculous. Even though he's no where close to what people thought he'd be at this point, he is still a main attraction to any game. That generates revenue, moves merchandise and does plenty to raise the overall profile of a team. If the numbers were to bare themselves out, I would imagine that he'd be grossly UNDERpaid because of how much attention he brings. All of this hype and Blake still gives you 20, 10 and 3 at only 24 years old; plenty of time to round into a Hall of Fame player.

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

THEY WIll have to figure that out, but they won't do it by making a panic move for a guy like carmelo who isn't winning or doing anything late here in NY..

They are also missing the shooting and smart play of reddick, I think people forget that... I don't think they are in a rush to do anything, especially moving a player like blake, really, kid has potential and he is already a hell of a PF.....carmelo doesn't answer any of their problems...

They will have to improve from within, the west is tough and carmelo does not make the clippers better than the rockets, blazers, and forget about the thunder or spurs....

not a move that makes sense for the clippers and they know it...

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nalod discussed it first a few months back.

Its not that I want him over melo, its done to preserve a movable asset when leverage is lost. I would look to trade him.

Dolan needs a marketable player. Dude can move Kia's and Kyrie needs someone to pass to.

Championships are not the issue.

nalod the key here is that knicks fans are not being honest here.. moving carmelo will not yield us a player like griffin... in what universe is that even realistic thinking?

The clippers can dangle blake out there and get a package of players that will actually help them now and long term... not an aging, one way chucking loser.. and right now, this is what carmelo looks like, his career is shaping out that way, for christ sakes we are 6-16..

Your thinking basketball. Im talking about value to franchise. Its about sterling, franshise value and TV deals for him. Dolan its about ratings. Winning is nice but knicks sell tickets and TV viewership is way more important. Knicks make playoffs is a what drives revenue. Knicks do this rather than lose melo for nothing.

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

If the Clippers can get a resigned Melo for Blake and picks they need to do that deal.

blake and picks.. rofl... a typical knicks fan

I am sure you are thinking shumpert for faried and two first rounders is a great deal for the nuggets

Amare to the wolves for rubio and love and a first is a steal for minny

And felton back to the blazers for lillard and a first is a no brainer for portland....

smh