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smackeddog
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12/12/2013  3:36 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Here is my guess

Beno Udirih 1.7mm
Ron Artest 1.6
Felton 4.2mm
Alrich 900k
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8.1

for
Lowry 6.2
Novak 3.7
9.9mm

works

I think foul faced Beno, sulky Shump and prickly MWP are part of the reason team chemistry is poor
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12/12/2013  3:38 PM
gunsnewing wrote:He can After dec 15 no?

No way the trade goes down like that though

If somehow they can take Felton and JR off our hands I am willing to give up anything
THJ and/or Shumpert and 1st in 2018 & 2020

not till after the season...though a bigger deal including Jr does seem to make sense. They are not exactly a destination team and have trouble aquiring FA's other then in trade. I would gladly take Hansbrough off their hands if they expand the deal. Used to hate that guy, but he has grown on me. We need a dirty work player who doesn't need the ball.
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12/12/2013  3:39 PM
I don't think looking at his defensive stats in Toronto will help. Maybe his Houston stats
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12/12/2013  3:40 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Lowry's stats look good. Anyone (Yellowboy) have his defensive ratings?

That's what I'd like to know- he used to be known as a defensive PG, no idea if he still is


His opponent's PER is pretty low and his on/off +/- is pretty good. But Yellowboy usually posts the stats of the opponent's FG% from different locations on the floor.
Lowry's offensive stats are pretty good. I'd rather have him than anyone on this roster.
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12/12/2013  3:40 PM
Howard beck reporting that they're not interested in Shump and likely wouldn't be included. Says Knicks plan on keeping him for now.

Also lakers interested and desperate for a PG- Blake is out for 6 weeks. I think they're more likely to land Lowry
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12/12/2013  3:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2013  3:43 PM
where's Enyspree lol This deal should make him happy. Lowry was a dogged man to man defender with Houston. Not sure if he kept it up with Toronto, but he's capable. He has also improved his three-point shot. Toronto isn't looking to take on more salary and we have no picks. Is THJ on the table? I heard that Derozan might be in play, so it would make sense if the Raps want cheap talent on the wings.
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12/12/2013  3:42 PM
You think Toronto takes an injured Felton and Shumpert. They are going to need a pg back
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12/12/2013  3:43 PM
Maybe a 3 teamer with the lakers involved
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12/12/2013  3:45 PM
Lakers in just as bad shape with draft picks. They don't really have the pieces for a trade either. Think we need to be patient on this one and wait for them to come back to us
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12/12/2013  3:45 PM
Mills first trade. Hopefully he has some cajones
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12/12/2013  3:52 PM
smackeddog wrote:Howard beck reporting that they're not interested in Shump and likely wouldn't be included. Says Knicks plan on keeping him for now.

Also lakers interested and desperate for a PG- Blake is out for 6 weeks. I think they're more likely to land Lowry

I don't think Shump for Faried is completely dead
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12/12/2013  3:53 PM
I'm intrigued. For those interested here are some advanced stats on Lowry this season:

TS% 56.3% - Would be 4th highest behind Prig, Tyson, THJR

eFG% 51.3% - Would be 5th highest behind Prig, Tyson, THJR, and Amare

AST% 30.7% - Highest on team

TOV% 15.6% - Middle of the pack, nearly the same as Felton's

USG% 18.9% - Middle of the pack, nearly the same as Felton's

ORtg 115 - 4th highest behind Prig, Tyson, and THJR

DRtg 106 - 4th lowest behind Aldrich, Tyson, and Kenyon; tied with Metta and Prig

OWS 1.7 - 2nd highest behind Melo

DWS 0.6 - Highest tied with Melo

WS 2.4 - 2nd highest behind Melo

WS/48 0.156 - 2nd highest behind Tyson

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12/12/2013  3:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2013  3:56 PM
I dunno about this at all. Just screams out 'lateral move.' Just the thought of losing anymore picks and/or adding more salary, depending on the scope of this deal, makes my skin crawl. And to make this move w/o even giving the kid Murry any kind of a chance at all to see if he could help first is just straight up dumb. Then there's the FACTOID that there are a good 3-4 solid FA PGs we could pick up right now FOR NOTHING that would be just as good as Lowry, more exciting and BETTER probably. I just can't comprehend how we go about our business at all.
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12/12/2013  3:59 PM
Finestrg wrote:I dunno about this at all. Just screams out 'lateral move.' Just the thought of losing anymore picks and/or adding more salary, depending on the scope of this deal, makes my skin crawl. And to make this move w/o even giving the kid Murry any kind of a chance at all to see if he could help first is just straight up dumb. Then there's the FACTOID that there are a good 3-4 solid FA PGs we could pick up right now FOR NOTHING that would be just as good as Lowry, more exciting and BETTER probably. I just can't comprehend how we go about our business at all.

Who are these free agents that are better than Lowry? And Lowry is in the last year of his contract so we wouldn't be adding salary past this season.

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12/12/2013  4:01 PM
Yea Lowry might play very well here but it is a lateral move that will dig us in an even deeper hole asset wise

What is Lowry's contract?
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12/12/2013  4:02 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 54s
Y! Sources: As Toronto widens talks on Kyle Lowry, Knicks inclined to add 2018 first-round pick to get a deal done. http://yhoo.it/JjDdvi

How long until we give in and give him everything he wants this time?
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12/12/2013  4:07 PM
Finestrg wrote:I dunno about this at all. Just screams out 'lateral move.' Just the thought of losing anymore picks and/or adding more salary, depending on the scope of this deal, makes my skin crawl. And to make this move w/o even giving the kid Murry any kind of a chance at all to see if he could help first is just straight up dumb. Then there's the FACTOID that there are a good 3-4 solid FA PGs we could pick up right now FOR NOTHING that would be just as good as Lowry, more exciting and BETTER probably. I just can't comprehend how we go about our business at all.

bro not lateral at all. lowry is light years better than any pg we have on this team...

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12/12/2013  4:09 PM
Clean wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 54s
Y! Sources: As Toronto widens talks on Kyle Lowry, Knicks inclined to add 2018 first-round pick to get a deal done. http://yhoo.it/JjDdvi

How long until we give in and give him everything he wants this time?

any mention of who's going out to match salaries?
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12/12/2013  4:09 PM
Finestrg wrote:I dunno about this at all. Just screams out 'lateral move.' Just the thought of losing anymore picks and/or adding more salary, depending on the scope of this deal, makes my skin crawl. And to make this move w/o even giving the kid Murry any kind of a chance at all to see if he could help first is just straight up dumb. Then there's the FACTOID that there are a good 3-4 solid FA PGs we could pick up right now FOR NOTHING that would be just as good as Lowry, more exciting and BETTER probably. I just can't comprehend how we go about our business at all.

I don't believe there are many, if any, PG free agents or D-leaguers out there better than Lowry. But I can see why you're squeamish, given this team's history. Lowry isn't going to want a two-year deal to re-sign if we get him.

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12/12/2013  4:11 PM
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Clean wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 54s
Y! Sources: As Toronto widens talks on Kyle Lowry, Knicks inclined to add 2018 first-round pick to get a deal done. http://yhoo.it/JjDdvi

How long until we give in and give him everything he wants this time?

any mention of who's going out to match salaries?

2018? I might not even be alive then. Let's get it done lol (and the cycle continues)

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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