Knixkik wrote:It's true, if amare were the same player he was in year one, we would have had a chance at a title at some point in the past 3 years. Just the typical bad luck Knicks.

i agree, but it's not so much about luck- we knew this would happen when we signed him, but Dolan decided two good seasons of Amar'e were worth 3 bad ones.

I think the mistake back when Melo came here was letting Melo be the primary option. Amar'e should have been the number 1 option, and Melo the complementary scorer.

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:IF Amare stayed healthy and played like he can--this team wouldve been a championship team. I guess I can respect rolling the dice a bit--anyone remembers what Amare was his first year here--he was a superstar. We won last night because of Amare and here are Amare's #s the last 4 games

15 points 5 reb 1.4 blocks shooting 75% in 24 minutes--the guy is still on pace there to do 25/26-8/10-2 if he got 36-38 minutes

STOP IT BRIGGS! they played a bulls team that is absolutely decimated by injuries, more than any team in the league.... the gave up a 23 point lead, and had hinrich not been playing like a dummy might have pulled this game out... please come on now.. championship team? with a healthy amare playing well and I love amare, this team would get steamrolled by the pacers and heat, and since we are giving amare the gift of health might as well pass it on to the bulls... a healthy bulls team would steam roll a healthy knicks team..

back to reality bro..

all fired up and ready to hate this AM!

nah, I am looking for losses like guns... that is the light at the end of the tunnel.... hit dolan right where it hurts.. more losses, more negativity. Dolan worries about one thing? how bad he looks, he will be forced to change...

I don't know right now. I'm torn between rooting for losses and just seeing good smart basketball but that can lead towards false hole and quick fixes that assure we won't contend for a ring for the next decade plus. I guess I'm still leaning towards losses. It's hard to watch this though. I hope I get to the point where I just stop watching like I did towards the tail end of the Isiah years

GUNS You have been one of the more realistic fans on here, can't fall into this trap. Amare looked good, he is my favorite knick.. but truth be told, he played well and we still blew a 23 point lead and could barely score points... vs a team that was decimated.. The problem is, this team still plays sticky ball, my turn ball, and doesn't defend... healthy amare or not.. he and carmelo are a bad, bad mix, certainly not championship worthy.

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It's true, if amare were the same player he was in year one, we would have had a chance at a title at some point in the past 3 years. Just the typical bad luck Knicks.

i agree, but it's not so much about luck- we knew this would happen when we signed him, but Dolan decided two good seasons of Amar'e were worth 3 bad ones.

I think the mistake back when Melo came here was letting Melo be the primary option. Amar'e should have been the number 1 option, and Melo the complementary scorer.

I said that back then....but was labeled a hater.

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gunsnewing wrote:Amare and Melo played well together the first year because it had not be on Melos team. Second year was a struggle because Amare than had to fit with Melo and a player like Amare can't fit Melo. If Melo is going to dominate th ball he needs a heady pg like billups to cater to him. It's a mess. Typical Knicks

They really didn't play well together first year. The team was a little over .500 before the Melo trade and then went 12-12 in games Amare and Melo both appeared in. In none of the 3 years have they been above .500 when playing together.

They seemed to play well offensively, they just gave it up at the other end of the court. It might have worked, but we'll never know and there's no use dwelling on it now.

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Amare and Melo played well together the first year because it had not be on Melos team. Second year was a struggle because Amare than had to fit with Melo and a player like Amare can't fit Melo. If Melo is going to dominate th ball he needs a heady pg like billups to cater to him. It's a mess. Typical Knicks

They really didn't play well together first year. The team was a little over .500 before the Melo trade and then went 12-12 in games Amare and Melo both appeared in. In none of the 3 years have they been above .500 when playing together.

yea, them playing well together is a myth.

At least we played good defense at times under Woodson but clearly the roster is flawed and these players can't grasp the switching because they are lazy

BRIGGS wrote:If it were me and Amare were healthy I wouldve never gotten Chandler. But no matter what--like some have said here--the owner took the risk knowing the downside and the downside hit. Two players I thought would be long long term MVP types Amare and Bynum--they both had knee issues Bynum wouldve been the best C by a mile and Amare the best PF--which he was at one point. Injuries are a real shtty part of sports.

its rough man. i actually think other then lebron, amear is the single most athletically gifted person that i've ever seen in the nba. speed, quickness, strength.. to me, amear was only matched by lebron. as we all know though, lebron body has held up 10000000x better than amears.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:IF Amare stayed healthy and played like he can--this team wouldve been a championship team. I guess I can respect rolling the dice a bit--anyone remembers what Amare was his first year here--he was a superstar. We won last night because of Amare and here are Amare's #s the last 4 games

15 points 5 reb 1.4 blocks shooting 75% in 24 minutes--the guy is still on pace there to do 25/26-8/10-2 if he got 36-38 minutes

STOP IT BRIGGS! they played a bulls team that is absolutely decimated by injuries, more than any team in the league.... the gave up a 23 point lead, and had hinrich not been playing like a dummy might have pulled this game out... please come on now.. championship team? with a healthy amare playing well and I love amare, this team would get steamrolled by the pacers and heat, and since we are giving amare the gift of health might as well pass it on to the bulls... a healthy bulls team would steam roll a healthy knicks team..

back to reality bro..

all fired up and ready to hate this AM!

nah, I am looking for losses like guns... that is the light at the end of the tunnel.... hit dolan right where it hurts.. more losses, more negativity. Dolan worries about one thing? how bad he looks, he will be forced to change...

No matter how bad things got I could never root against the Knicks. You would root against your own kids in the school play if you didn't like the teacher lol.

LETS try leaving my kids out of this. thanks

I hate to use the word root, but I don't mind the losses, as it makes dolan looks bad, and honestly that affects him most. he is concerned with how he looks, which is why he is such a control freak as to what is said in the media and how things are perceived..