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Nalod
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12/9/2013  1:26 PM
can't tank cuz we don't have our pick.

Were can Melo go? Lakers?

I think we stay the course. I don't see rebuilding in until we get picks. even just our picks.
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12/9/2013  1:27 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I guess for the time-being--do what I can to trade for Lowry to play PG--you can move Felton to 2g or third guard and use Toure Murry and Hardaway as your 4.


Shumpert 1.8mm
Udrih 1.3mm
Prigs 1.7mm
2018 2nd rounder
for Lowry

More band aide players. Stay the course it's a two year ride. Who cares about playoffs if your team isn't made to win in the playoffs there is no point to go there. Since Dolan's main goal is to get to the playoffs they can still make that happen with a lousy record.

If Melo walks next year it's good for the cap and the Knicks have their pick to build around with 2015 cap relief.
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12/9/2013  1:29 PM
tkf wrote:BLOW IT UP..

The temptation for this moronic front office to keep trying to build around a loser is too great..

Try to move carmelo for whatever you can, but make sure it includes a pick.

Do the same for tyson chandler

The same for Bargnani if anyone is that stupid..

Let THJ, shumpert play, make mistakes and play some more... we need to really evaluate them..

Hire a competent GM as Bonn said and the rest will take care of itself..

I would but they wont and you know it.

RIP Crushalot😞
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12/9/2013  1:31 PM
Vmart wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I guess for the time-being--do what I can to trade for Lowry to play PG--you can move Felton to 2g or third guard and use Toure Murry and Hardaway as your 4.


Shumpert 1.8mm
Udrih 1.3mm
Prigs 1.7mm
2018 2nd rounder
for Lowry

More band aide players. Stay the course it's a two year ride. Who cares about playoffs if your team isn't made to win in the playoffs there is no point to go there. Since Dolan's main goal is to get to the playoffs they can still make that happen with a lousy record.

If Melo walks next year it's good for the cap and the Knicks have their pick to build around with 2015 cap relief.

He doesnt have a contract past this year. BUt its going to cost Shumpert and a 2nd rounder Id like to blow it up--but they wont

RIP Crushalot😞
GoNyGoNyGo
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12/9/2013  1:38 PM
keep hardaway Shumpert, Murry, Tyler. Get rid of the rest for whatever you can, preferably draft picks and expiring deals. Do not take any contract back after 2015. Raid the D league and sign the best of the league at each position.

Trade Melo to the Lakers so he has to deal with MDA again.

Trade STAT back to Phoenix. They can heal him. IF not he can retire where he started,

Trade Chandler and Artest to contenders so they can win.

Get a young coach in the mold of the Celtics young coach.
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12/9/2013  1:39 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I guess for the time-being--do what I can to trade for Lowry to play PG--you can move Felton to 2g or third guard and use Toure Murry and Hardaway as your 4.


Shumpert 1.8mm
Udrih 1.3mm
Prigs 1.7mm
2018 2nd rounder
for Lowry

More band aide players. Stay the course it's a two year ride. Who cares about playoffs if your team isn't made to win in the playoffs there is no point to go there. Since Dolan's main goal is to get to the playoffs they can still make that happen with a lousy record.

If Melo walks next year it's good for the cap and the Knicks have their pick to build around with 2015 cap relief.

He doesnt have a contract past this year. BUt its going to cost Shumpert and a 2nd rounder Id like to blow it up--but they wont

If you blow up the Knicks there is a very good chance Management will blow up the cap space that is coming in 2015. You know the Knicks will get bitch slapped with every deal they make. You can kiss picks good bye for the next decade. Stay the course hope the Knicks suck monumentally next year and come out of the draft with a top pick. You know Melo isn't staying for this so he would bring back cap relief. Unless Knicks wise up and dump him for expiring sand draft picks which will go a long way to building a solid foundation.
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12/9/2013  1:58 PM
Vmart wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I guess for the time-being--do what I can to trade for Lowry to play PG--you can move Felton to 2g or third guard and use Toure Murry and Hardaway as your 4.


Shumpert 1.8mm
Udrih 1.3mm
Prigs 1.7mm
2018 2nd rounder
for Lowry

More band aide players. Stay the course it's a two year ride. Who cares about playoffs if your team isn't made to win in the playoffs there is no point to go there. Since Dolan's main goal is to get to the playoffs they can still make that happen with a lousy record.

If Melo walks next year it's good for the cap and the Knicks have their pick to build around with 2015 cap relief.

This is spot on. I want to make the playoffs because you never know what can happen when you get there. But other than that staying the course offers a lot in 2015 with our own pick and a lot of cap space. No point in blowing it up just to blow it up. That is worse than starphucking.
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12/9/2013  2:32 PM
BLOW. IT. UP.

If Melo can be sent out for a first rounder and cap filler, do it.
MS
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12/9/2013  2:43 PM
There really is no course of action.

We handed out bad deals and made bad trades, giving away pick to get Bargs and Camby.

I think you need to demote felton and let him play in the second unit and get his ass in shape. Start - Priggs, THJ, Shumpert, Melo and Chandler when he comes back. STAT needs to play backup five minutes as does Bargs these guys shouldn't be on the floor at the same time. KMART needs to play whenever those two are on the court. Felton, JR, Artest, KMart and Amare/Bargs in the second unit.
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12/9/2013  3:07 PM
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12/9/2013  3:18 PM
MSG3 wrote:BLOW. IT. UP.

If Melo can be sent out for a first rounder and cap filler, do it.

People do realize that there is a chance you miss with your pick even if the draft is good, right? Trading Melo for a pick is a ridiculous idea. Our horrendous draft history aside, more often than not a lot of these guys amount to nothing. Hypothetically, if all of this years projected studs pan out, this is something that happens like one a decade. You need to be fortunate enough to suck that year. What about people who had a 2013 pick or 2012 pick where the draft was then?
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12/9/2013  3:34 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:BLOW. IT. UP.

If Melo can be sent out for a first rounder and cap filler, do it.

People do realize that there is a chance you miss with your pick even if the draft is good, right? Trading Melo for a pick is a ridiculous idea. Our horrendous draft history aside, more often than not a lot of these guys amount to nothing. Hypothetically, if all of this years projected studs pan out, this is something that happens like one a decade. You need to be fortunate enough to suck that year. What about people who had a 2013 pick or 2012 pick where the draft was then?


If you hire a GM who knows how to draft follows a strategy you find yourself in position like OKC Portland Indiana who will be contenders for a decade. If you follow the Knicks path you spend more money than anyone to have 1 winning season in 12 years. When Melo leaves for nothing--there is going to eb humble pie dripping off the face of Dolan for next years season ticketholders.

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12/9/2013  3:41 PM
Briggs, I agree. There should be a real concern Melo will leave for nothing. There's no getting away from the Amare disaster and Felton/our PG situation. It makes the roster almost impossible to fix short of riding it out.

I think people are overvaluing the draft a little since really 10%-15% of the league drafts well (excluding obvious can't miss picks). We oversell some of our finds (i.e. - Fields, the guy is basically not even in the league anymore). Fan bases tend to jump on guys like Fields/Shump quick but we would be better off selling high. We already missed that chance with both of these guys.
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12/9/2013  3:42 PM
If I ran the Knicks I would stay the course. We are coming off a 54 win season and while we are playing horrific ball we are 3.5 games out of home court advantage in round one with 60+ games to play. Sorry, I dont care what you have seen, pulling the plug is totally premature.

Need to accomplish:
1) upgrade PG. We need someone who can bring anything to the table. Kyle Lowry and Darren Collison come to mind as guys who could be had and add a new dimension here. Collison = speed Lowry a guy who can get into the paint and make a play.

2) dump the deadwood. Easier said than done but hopefully Barg's #s get to a point where some folks around the league are willing to take a shot. Im not deluding myself into thinking we can find a take for JR, but if he has any stretch of reasonable basketball I would take any offer. Addition by subtraction.

3)get healthy. Hard to say Tyson's legs will be fresh (maybe one will be) but getting him healthy, and getting any consisten production from Amare/KMart will be huge. Amare's bench role last year would be epic.

4) Laugh at stupid Knick fans.

Rebuilding makes no sense. Not without a pick this year. Stay the course, hold the coaches and players accountable and get them playing better. My god there are 60+ games left to get this right.

We fix this (and not even fast) and the Knicks will be the 4 seed, beat some crapola team in the first round and Dolan will telling all the donkey Knick fans that this team has advanced 2 years in a row and after we get eliminated the goal will be to compete for a title next year.

Sorry, but I have yet to read a rebuilding scenario on this board that makes sense (now).

This is what I think can and will happen.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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12/9/2013  4:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2013  4:15 PM
fishmike wrote:If I ran the Knicks I would stay the course. We are coming off a 54 win season and while we are playing horrific ball we are 3.5 games out of home court advantage in round one with 60+ games to play. Sorry, I dont care what you have seen, pulling the plug is totally premature.

Need to accomplish:
1) upgrade PG. We need someone who can bring anything to the table. Kyle Lowry and Darren Collison come to mind as guys who could be had and add a new dimension here. Collison = speed Lowry a guy who can get into the paint and make a play.

2) dump the deadwood. Easier said than done but hopefully Barg's #s get to a point where some folks around the league are willing to take a shot. Im not deluding myself into thinking we can find a take for JR, but if he has any stretch of reasonable basketball I would take any offer. Addition by subtraction.

3)get healthy. Hard to say Tyson's legs will be fresh (maybe one will be) but getting him healthy, and getting any consisten production from Amare/KMart will be huge. Amare's bench role last year would be epic.

4) Laugh at stupid Knick fans.

Rebuilding makes no sense. Not without a pick this year. Stay the course, hold the coaches and players accountable and get them playing better. My god there are 60+ games left to get this right.

We fix this (and not even fast) and the Knicks will be the 4 seed, beat some crapola team in the first round and Dolan will telling all the donkey Knick fans that this team has advanced 2 years in a row and after we get eliminated the goal will be to compete for a title next year.

Sorry, but I have yet to read a rebuilding scenario on this board that makes sense (now).

This is what I think can and will happen.

This is my thought exactly. Considering where we are compared to everyone else, there are adjustments that can be made to get us back into the mix. Staying the course makes the most sense right now and won't set us back either. Unless there is a really good rebuilding plan (which i haven't seen), it makes no sense.
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12/9/2013  4:20 PM
0) Blow up MSG "Chase" bridge on the celebrity row.
1) Dolan retired from bbal
2) New GM with no prior connections to MSG
3) New coach
4) Trade melo for picks/assets
5) Trade Bargs, Felton, Meta, Udrih for whatever you can
6) Move team to first bbal stadium on Mars.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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12/9/2013  5:20 PM
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12/9/2013  5:20 PM
Get Real

three Things we can control

- Mandatory 10PM Saturday night curfews, room check at The Pennsylvanian, before Sunday Noon starts

- Run extra laps after any game with less than 20 assists, during halftime.

- Burn the orange uniforms. Bring back the white warmups from the seventies.

once a knick always a knick
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12/9/2013  5:29 PM
Another growing problem is the numer of voices we have behind the scenes with different philosophies:

Dolan
GM by committee- mills, Houston, that ex Denver one
And now there's talk of adding a metric guru. Sorry, but that's completely unworkable- too many conflicting philosophies.
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12/9/2013  5:29 PM
The Knicks are 4-11 without Chandler, and their defense has been a sieve

4. Get Tyson Chandler all the legal steroids he can digest

5. bring Jeremy Tyler up from the minors

once a knick always a knick
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