misterearl wrote:Is there anyone here who wants to take a big pay cut for the work they are doing?

Just curious.

I did, to work for myself and have a better wuality of life.

Meaning, if I were Melo (and were already rich), I would take a big paycut. But not to play for the knicks and that Dolan prick. I would go to a team like the Wolves who have a great fundation. Young players, some allstars, great coach, good GM, and bad at SF, and I would go and win there. But never in hell would I stay in NY if I was Melo, whatever the price.

raven wrote:

misterearl wrote:Is there anyone here who wants to take a big pay cut for the work they are doing?

Just curious.

I did, to work for myself and have a better wuality of life.

Meaning, if I were Melo (and were already rich), I would take a big paycut. But not to play for the knicks and that Dolan prick. I would go to a team like the Wolves who have a great fundation. Young players, some allstars, great coach, good GM, and bad at SF, and I would go and win there. But never in hell would I stay in NY if I was Melo, whatever the price.

RonRon wrote:okay, first off, I am asking him to take a pay cut for one year

Does anyone think Melo is worth 20-30m per year?
Does another GM/TEAM will be willing to pay him that in 2014, when he can opt out?
If he thinks he can win with Kobe, Nash, at their respective ages/injuries, vet min players, a room exemption, and a 1st round pick, please go ahead.....
On some deals, I think they can sign and trade Pau Gasol, Jordan Hill, Steve Blake, Jodie Meeks etc, but cannot resign them if they sign Melo instead of trading for him in which we would have to agree

but those players would be UFA if they sign Melo with cap space and teams WOULDN'T have to trade for those players and could just sign them if they have cap space

Nash
Kobe
Nick Young *player option at vet min*
Melo
Sacre

2014 1st rounder
room exemption
vet min
vet min
vet min
vet min
vet min
....

Well after that one year of pay cut, if possible, I am saying I don't care of Dolan wants to make him the next Joe Johnson
So essentially 1 year of paycut for a bigger pay out for the long term, more importantly, having the pieces that will allow him to contend for the rest of his career of the Knicks
Considering we traded half a roster for him, if he really does want to win and be in NYK, I don't see it as being a big deal, because we obviously do under the table deals with JR Smith and his bay bro, with CAA as well...

Ron I understand and appreciate your efforts here.. the problem is carmelo is clueless and selfish. He is not taking one dollar less, even if it meant winning. I am convinced of that.. at least not here in NY..

anrst wrote:he'd be an idiot to take a paycut

I agree. For him to take a paycut for a team that is willing to spend to build around him is nut. He is in the best situation. All this team needs is a legitimate PG to contend.

RonRon wrote:maybe so TFK

but this is the only way I can see us keeping Melo and POSSIBLY contending at the same time

Again, I am asking him to take 1 year less, while it would actually even back out at a near max contract, because I just don't see another team offering him that type of contract
It comes down to, if he thinks he really wants to be in NY and if he really wants to WIN in NYK
IF I was promised to make minimum wage or under for one year, while my stress would be much lowered and I would be happy for the rest of my career, and after that 1 year, I made the max possible guaranteed the years after, and still be praised as a SAINT for doing so, I would do it no hesitation

Especially if my BOSS and COMPANY has been always having my back and doing everything to treat my like a KING even though there are much better option out there better than me
Putting BS rumors to protect my image and choosing me over a worker that was much more efficient than me, able to do do things I wasn't, and he was cost efficient financially than me, other coworker's favorites and made them happier workers (LIN)

With constant manager's above me telling me I was not listening my orders, which I made quit, cause the BOSS favored me (DANTONI)

Chose my needs and wants over the company and TEAM's BEST INTEREST...
ON TOP OF buying me out in my old JOB and PAYING BIG BUCKS TO OBTAIN me to begin with

If you guys want to go there, go ahead, I didn't want to, I asked a simple question, if anyone knew it was POSSIBLE under the new CBA or not....

And I'm sure both the players union and league would look into that as it goes against the spirit of the cba.

I know as fans we want the player to think about us, but that really isnt why they are there.

The performer always exists before his fanbase does....not the other way around.

2013-2014
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This year $21,490,000

2014-15
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$23,530,000
(Melo has player option) I am saying DON'T OPT OUT here and play it through if he really wants to stay in NY and be a contender

target players with 3m MINI MLE like

Sessions
Bayless
Mo Williams (player option)

Vasquez or Lowry if Toronto lets either walk for nothing but Vasquez is a RFA, though he could let both walk for nothing...

Ariza
Marion (despite his age, he is surprisingly still one of the better versatile SF/PF in the game but will he suddenly disappear/regress like Gerald Wallace did?

Amir Johnson (team option)
Jordan Hill
Dalembert (team option)
Channing Frye???
Gortat (doubt available at this price)

or

maybe divide it up for 2 players like

Darren Collison (majority of mini MLE)
Nate Robinson *PLAYER OPTION*

Jeffery Taylor

Dante Cunningham
Blairre

Kaman
Jermaine Oneal

players that might even get a vet min deals or slightly more

Aaron Brooks
Ridnour
Steve Blake

Sefelosha (maybe even a 2 year vet min deal)

Brandon Rush (currently recovering from knee surgery but prior to his injury was a double double threat in rebounds/pts, and combined 2-4 steals/blocks, with 50% shooting, 40% 3ptr, 1 per game, all in limited minutes, maybe even a 2 year guaranteed deal at vet min is a possibility)

Kris Humphries
Chris Johnson (vet min deal)
James Singleton

2015-16 Season (UFA)
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Hire a COACH, GM, PRESIDENT, ASSiSTANT/DEVELOPMENT COACH/STAFF that will work well together with the players that would attract and add credibility to target FA's with
Along with the decision making to build a TEAM that FITS TOGETHER well with and is well respected by the league

What I am saying is take a salary as a KNICK of just say anywhere from 8-12m with player option this year
Where would be the NBA's best UFA season of FA's

recruit UFA's as a CORE for our next 5-6 years to compete with

of course Lebron James would be the #1 target if available

Kevin Love/Aldridge
Hibbert, Marc Gasol??

if we can grab 2 of these players in addition to Melo, to form our big 3, we would have a LEGIT talent around Melo to build around
Looking at Miami, Houston, and a few other teams, this will a big year where "FRIENDS" can choose to play and recruit each other, maybe even taking slightly less each, in order to form their own TRIO like Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did

Rhondo ( I don't really consider him an ALL STAR unless he improves his shooting and I just don't think he would fit with just MELO alone as a scorer, would need another very strong option, especially because of his injury and shooting liability (there must be 3 GREAT efficient shooters to make up for him or 4 other shooters which means our C has to be able to shoot to spread the floor so he can penetrate)

Don't get me wrong, he is very capable of putting up great numbers but he had a younger Pierce, KG, Ray Allen, and some great chemistry to go with other talents that complimented him, especially on BOTH ENDS

Players with player options and/or might not get a long term deal because many teams will be looking to clear salary to form a 2-3 ALL STAR caliber talents and are UNDER the max range

Rudy Gay

Al Jefferson
Paul Millsap

Bynum?
Pau Gasol?
Spencer Hawes ** CHEAPER VERSION of KLOVE at C, without the post and rebounding, but great 3pt range and decent passing ability **

Younger, solid role players, with all different price rangers

Dragic *PLAYER OPTION*
Lin
Reggie Jackson
Patrick Beverely/ Norris Cole

Gereld Henderson
Wesley Matthews

Wilson Chandler (TEAM OPTION)
Theadous Young (10m PLAYER OPTION)
Chase Budinger (player option)

Asik
Varejo
DeAndre Jordan

Channing Frye???
Marreese Speights
Amir Johnson
Ed Davis
Koufous
Mosgov

We would still have the ROOM EXEMPTION, the same one we used to sign JR Smith at lower than his market price and eventually kept

Vets
======

don't know who will retire and who will still be able to contribute, but someone like Duncan could be signed for leadership/experience and for future development coach, guaranteeing him a high paying job when he is ready to retire, especially if we can grab Poppavich, maybe have Poppavich as our Head Coach and future president of operations, while Duncan will become our head coach

Parker
Mo Williams
Andre Miller???
Randy Foye (player option)

Ginobili likely will be broken

Duncan (sign him to a 2-3 year deal at 2-3m per year or with room exemption, with player option (while letting him retire with the money, so in a sense for 1 or 2 years max, but letting him retire a year earlier, while he helps develop a player like Jeremy Tyler or whoever, as Poppovich grooms Duncan to be our next head coach

ZBO
Boozer

Players/Role players/ low risk/high reward at SMALL DEALS
Either with cap space or room exemption, or so

Dorell Wright
Jeremy Evans

Anthony Randolph, still will be young and much more mature by then
Nick Collison

Robin Lopez

and many names we might not even consider or know of right now but could be attractive a couple years later
The price of a vet min player and slightly more, could be a BIG difference in terms of talent with the way the new CBA is structured
Many talented players fall off to cheap prices

2016-17 Season
=====================

Opt out of this contract, then sign for 20-30m 4-5 year deal (under the table deal, just like JR Smith has done with the Knick's with Chris Smith)
Now, is anyone really going to pay Melo a 4-5 year deal at this number?
He is not really taking a pay cut, he is taking a risk on his career though, if he gets a major injury

IF NOT

OPT OUT and sign a 4-5 year deal of 100-135m contract, after we are able to line Melo up with

Still have the MLE, might be 3-6m depending on what our TEAM salary would be and the TAX threshold by then

Point Guards
Name Team Previous Salary Next Salary Type
C.J. Watson Indiana Pacers $2,077,000 $0 N
Rajon Rondo Boston Celtics $12,909,090 $0 N
Kemba Walker Charlotte Bobcats $3,272,091 $4,433,683 Q
Kyrie Irving Cleveland Cavaliers $7,070,730 $9,191,949 Q
Marquis Teague Chicago Bulls $1,120,920 $2,023,261 T
Tony Wroten Jr. Philadelphia 76ers $1,210,080 $2,179,353 T
Norris Cole Miami Heat $2,038,206 $3,036,927 Q
Will Bynum Detroit Pistons $2,915,908 $0 N
Brandon Knight Milwaukee Bucks $3,553,917 $4,790,680 Q
Jeremy Lin Houston Rockets $8,374,646 $0 N
Steve Nash Los Angeles Lakers $9,701,000 $0 N
Jose Juan Barea Minnesota Timberwolves $4,519,500 $0 N
Ricky Rubio Minnesota Timberwolves $4,660,479 $6,179,795 Q
Reggie Jackson Oklahoma City Thunder $2,204,369 $3,222,787 Q
Raymond Felton New York Knicks $3,793,693 $3,950,313 P
Pablo Prigioni New York Knicks $1,662,961 $1,734,572 N
Cory Joseph San Antonio Spurs $2,023,261 $3,034,892 Q
Goran Dragic Phoenix Suns $7,500,000 $7,500,000 P
Damian Lillard Portland Trail Blazers $3,340,920 $4,236,287 T
Dennis Schroder Atlanta Hawks $1,690,680 $1,763,400 T
Shane Larkin Dallas Mavericks $1,606,080 $1,675,320 T
Nemanja Nedovic Golden State Warriors $1,104,240 $1,151,760 T
Michael Carter-Williams Philadelphia 76ers $2,300,040 $2,399,040 T
C.J. McCollum Portland Trail Blazers $2,421,000 $2,525,160 T
Trey Burke Utah Jazz $2,548,560 $2,658,240 T
Isaiah Canaan Houston Rockets $816,482 $947,276 N
Ray McCallum Sacramento Kings $816,482 $947,276 N
Nate Wolters Milwaukee Bucks $816,482 $947,276 N
Shooting Guards
Name Team Previous Salary Next Salary Type
John Jenkins Atlanta Hawks $1,312,920 $2,228,025 T
Lou Williams Atlanta Hawks $5,450,000 $0 N
Jason Terry Brooklyn Nets $5,850,313 $0 N
Gerald Henderson Charlotte Bobcats $6,000,000 $6,000,000 P
Dion Waiters Cleveland Cavaliers $4,062,000 $5,138,430 T
Marco Belinelli San Antonio Spurs $2,873,750 $0 N
Wayne Ellington Dallas Mavericks $2,771,340 $0 Q
Evan Fournier Denver Nuggets $1,483,920 $2,288,205 T
Klay Thompson Golden State Warriors $3,075,880 $4,210,880 Q
Monta Ellis Dallas Mavericks $8,360,000 $8,720,000 P
Mike Dunleavy Chicago Bulls $3,326,235 $0 N
Alexey Shved Minnesota Timberwolves $3,282,057 $4,102,571 Q
Eric Gordon New Orleans Pelicans $14,898,938 $15,514,031 P
Austin Rivers New Orleans Pelicans $2,439,840 $3,110,796 T
Jeremy Lamb Oklahoma City Thunder $2,202,000 $3,034,356 T
J.R. Smith New York Knicks $5,982,375 $6,399,750 P
Iman Shumpert New York Knicks $2,616,975 $3,695,169 Q
Manu Ginobili San Antonio Spurs $7,000,000 $0 N
Danny Green San Antonio Spurs $4,025,000 $0 N
Gary Neal Milwaukee Bucks $3,250,000 $0 N
Arron Afflalo Orlando Magic $7,500,000 $7,500,000 N
Terrence Ross Toronto Raptors $2,793,960 $3,553,917 T
Marcus Thornton Sacramento Kings $8,575,000 $0 N
Randy Foye Denver Nuggets $3,000,000 $3,135,000 N
Alec Burks Utah Jazz $3,034,356 $4,175,274 Q
Bradley Beal Washington Wizards $4,505,280 $5,694,674 T
Wesley Matthews Portland Trail Blazers $7,245,640 $0 N
Sergey Karasev Cleveland Cavaliers $1,533,840 $1,599,840 N
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope Detroit Pistons $2,772,480 $2,891,760 T
Shabazz Muhammad Minnesota Timberwolves $1,971,960 $2,056,920 T
Tim Hardaway Jr. New York Knicks $1,250,640 $1,304,520 T
Victor Oladipo Orlando Magic $4,978,200 $5,192,520 T
Archie Goodwin Phoenix Suns $1,112,280 $1,160,160 T
Ben McLemore Sacramento Kings $3,026,280 $3,156,600 T
Allen Crabbe Portland Trail Blazers $862,000 $947,276 N
Ricky Ledo Dallas Mavericks $816,482 $947,276 N
Jamaal Franklin Memphis Grizzlies $816,482 $947,276 N
Small Forwards
Name Team Previous Salary Next Salary Type
Jeff Green Boston Celtics $9,200,000 $9,200,000 P
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Charlotte Bobcats $5,016,960 $6,331,404 T
Jimmy Butler Chicago Bulls $2,008,748 $3,013,122 Q
Tayshaun Prince Memphis Grizzlies $7,707,865 $0 N
Kyle Singler Detroit Pistons $1,090,000 $1,362,500 Q
Harrison Barnes Golden State Warriors $3,049,920 $3,873,398 T
Carlos Delfino Milwaukee Bucks $3,250,000 $3,250,000 N
Gerald Green Phoenix Suns $3,500,000 $0 N
Matt Barnes Los Angeles Clippers $3,396,250 $3,542,500 N
Luc Mbah a Moute Sacramento Kings $4,382,575 $0 N
Tobias Harris Orlando Magic $2,380,594 $3,394,727 Q
Chase Budinger Minnesota Timberwolves $5,000,000 $5,000,000 P
Chris Copeland Indiana Pacers $3,135,000 $3,918,750 Q
Kawhi Leonard San Antonio Spurs $2,894,059 $4,045,894 Q
Maurice Harkless Orlando Magic $1,887,840 $2,894,059 T
Landry Fields Toronto Raptors $6,250,000 $0 N
Travis Outlaw Sacramento Kings $3,000,000 $0 N
Jared Dudley Los Angeles Clippers $4,250,000 $4,250,000 E
DeMarre Carroll Atlanta Hawks $2,442,455 $0 N
Victor Claver Portland Trail Blazers $1,370,000 $1,712,500 Q
Thaddeus Young Philadelphia 76ers $9,410,869 $9,971,739 E
Dorell Wright Portland Trail Blazers $3,135,000 $0 N
Tony Snell Chicago Bulls $1,472,400 $1,535,880 T
Solomon Hill Indiana Pacers $1,302,840 $1,358,880 T
Reggie Bullock Los Angeles Clippers $1,200,720 $1,252,440 T
Giannis Antetokounmpo Milwaukee Bucks $1,873,200 $1,953,960 T
Andre Roberson Oklahoma City Thunder $1,160,880 $1,210,800 T
Luigi Datome Detroit Pistons $1,750,000 $2,187,500 Q
Otto Porter Washington Wizards $4,470,480 $4,662,960 T
Power Forwards
Name Team Previous Salary Next Salary Type
Mirza Teletovic Brooklyn Nets $3,368,100 $4,210,125 Q
Reggie Evans Brooklyn Nets $1,768,653 $0 N
Kevin Garnett Brooklyn Nets $12,000,000 $0 N
Brandon Bass Boston Celtics $6,900,000 $0 N
Jared Sullinger Boston Celtics $1,424,520 $2,269,260 T
Tristan Thompson Cleveland Cavaliers $5,138,430 $6,777,589 Q
Brandan Wright Dallas Mavericks $5,000,000 $0 N
Jon Leuer Memphis Grizzlies $967,500 $1,035,000 N
Carlos Boozer Chicago Bulls $16,800,000 $0 N
Anthony Randolph Denver Nuggets $1,825,359 $0 N
Kenneth Faried Denver Nuggets $2,249,768 $3,257,664 Q
Marcus Morris Phoenix Suns $2,943,221 $4,094,020 Q
Terrence Jones Houston Rockets $1,618,680 $2,489,530 T
David West Indiana Pacers $12,000,000 $12,600,000 P
Jeff Ayres San Antonio Spurs $1,828,750 $0 N
Miles Plumlee Phoenix Suns $1,169,880 $2,109,294 T
Drew Gooden Free Agents $6,687,400 $0 N
John Henson Milwaukee Bucks $1,987,320 $2,943,221 T
Kevin Love Minnesota Timberwolves $15,719,062 $16,744,218 P
Derrick Williams Minnesota Timberwolves $6,331,404 $8,262,482 Q
Anthony Davis New Orleans Pelicans $5,607,240 $7,070,730 T
Nick Collison Oklahoma City Thunder $2,242,003 $0 N
Perry Jones III Oklahoma City Thunder $1,129,200 $2,038,206 T
Glen Davis Orlando Magic $6,600,000 $0 N
Andrew Nicholson Orlando Magic $1,545,840 $2,380,593 T
Charles Hayes Sacramento Kings $5,958,750 $0 N
Thomas Robinson Portland Trail Blazers $3,678,360 $4,660,482 T
Markieff Morris Phoenix Suns $2,989,239 $4,134,118 Q
Paul Millsap Atlanta Hawks $9,500,000 $0 N
Jeremy Evans Utah Jazz $1,794,871 $0 N
LaMarcus Aldridge Portland Trail Blazers $16,006,000 $0 N
Joel Freeland Portland Trail Blazers $3,013,512 $3,766,890 Q
Arnett Moultrie Philadelphia 76ers $1,136,160 $2,049,633 T
Anthony Bennett Cleveland Cavaliers $5,563,920 $5,803,560 T
Tony Mitchell Detroit Pistons $816,482 $947,276 N
Centers
Name Team Previous Salary Next Salary Type
Brook Lopez Brooklyn Nets $15,719,062 $16,744,218 P
Bismack Biyombo Charlotte Bobcats $3,873,398 $5,194,227 Q
Brendan Haywood Charlotte Bobcats $2,213,688 $10,522,500 N
Tyler Zeller Cleveland Cavaliers $1,703,760 $2,616,975 T
Timofey Mozgov Denver Nuggets $4,650,000 $4,950,000 T
Marc Gasol Memphis Grizzlies $15,829,688 $0 N
Marreese Speights Golden State Warriors $3,657,500 $3,815,000 P
Andre Drummond Detroit Pistons $2,568,360 $3,272,091 T
Festus Ezeli Golden State Warriors $1,112,880 $2,008,748 T
Omer Asik Houston Rockets $8,374,646 $0 N
Donatas Motiejunas Houston Rockets $1,483,920 $2,288,205 T
Roy Hibbert Indiana Pacers $14,898,938 $15,514,031 P
DeAndre Jordan Los Angeles Clippers $11,440,123 $0 N
Ronny Turiaf Minnesota Timberwolves $1,500,000 $0 N
Robert Sacre Los Angeles Lakers $915,243 $981,348 N
Robin Lopez Portland Trail Blazers $6,124,729 $0 N
Kendrick Perkins Oklahoma City Thunder $9,404,342 $0 N
Tyson Chandler New York Knicks $14,596,887 $0 N
Nikola Vucevic Orlando Magic $2,751,260 $3,865,520 Q
Jonas Valanciunas Toronto Raptors $3,678,360 $4,660,482 T
Al Jefferson Charlotte Bobcats $13,500,000 $13,500,000 P
Enes Kanter Utah Jazz $5,694,674 $7,471,412 Q
Meyers Leonard Portland Trail Blazers $2,317,920 $3,075,880 T
Mason Plumlee Brooklyn Nets $1,357,080 $1,415,520 T
Kelly Olynyk Boston Celtics $2,075,760 $2,165,160 T
Cody Zeller Charlotte Bobcats $4,030,560 $4,204,200 T
Gorgui Dieng Minnesota Timberwolves $1,413,480 $1,474,440 T
Steven Adams Oklahoma City Thunder $2,184,960 $2,279,040 T
Nerlens Noel Philadelphia 76ers $3,315,120 $3,457,800 T
Alex Len Phoenix Suns $3,649,920 $3,807,120 T
Rudy Gobert Utah Jazz $1,127,400 $1,175,880 T
Vitor Faverani Boston Celtics $2,090,000 $2,180,000 N
Miroslav Raduljica Milwaukee Bucks $1,500,000 $1,567,500 N
Ognjen Kuzmic Golden State Warriors $816,482 $1,147,276 Q
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from an earlier post from knicks1248

Does he value Lowry and see Lowry with Vasquez together or if one will walk with no compensation this summer
I doubt the 3m MLE would be enough for either prospect although Lowry hasn't been doing much since getting hurt back in Houston a couple years back