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Bonn1997
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12/7/2013  9:43 AM
misterearl wrote:You Can Trust The Answer Man Anytime

Q. Bonn1977 - Will he trust his teammates in close games or only when there is a 30 point cushion?

A. So long as Bargnani continues to shoot .46 from the floor and Hardaway Jr is money (43 pct) from three point range, trust becomes second nature.

JR Smith (.35) and Ray Felton (.41) have work to do.


I don't know about that. In his career, Melo's shot selection has not changed depending on his teammates. There have been plenty of times where most of his teammates are shooting better than he is but he still takes 20 to 25 shots
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12/7/2013  9:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2013  9:47 AM
Right Torrents which is why we shouldn't pay him $30mil per alone
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12/7/2013  10:06 AM
I never accused melo of been selfish. where running the same plays, but now melo is making quicker decisions and overall the team is trusting each other..

Before the last 2 games, instead of doing the lay up drill, they were passing the ball without shooting, clyde and breen mention it yesterday, saying they never seen anything like it before

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12/7/2013  10:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2013  10:12 AM
Yea quick passes and shots in rhythm go in and defenses get tired of chasing the ball
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12/7/2013  10:43 AM
Drill Baby Drill

knicks1248 wrote:I never accused melo of been selfish. where running the same plays, but now melo is making quicker decisions and overall the team is trusting each other..

Before the last 2 games, instead of doing the lay up drill, they were passing the ball without shooting, clyde and breen mention it yesterday, saying they never seen anything like it before

This may be the most informative post of the week. Well done Knicks1248

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12/7/2013  11:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2013  11:34 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:That may be the case, which would be great, or it may just be that they beat up on 2 bad teams
I wish Melo would aim to take just 12 high quality shots per game.
Will he trust his teammates in close games or only when there's a 30 point cushion?

12 is a little low though, I think 15-18 is the ideal area for him to be at throughout the season. In close games Melo won't only take 12 shots no matter how unselfishly he's playing that particular game.
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12/7/2013  11:34 AM
Maybe 12 to 15. He's had seasons where he's taken 18 shots a game and hit a low percentage. He's isn't going to get 18 quality shots a game.
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12/7/2013  11:47 AM
I hope it lasts, the guys are hitting shots now, but will it continue that one game when they dont?

It needs to.
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12/7/2013  11:54 AM
knickscity wrote:I hope it lasts, the guys are hitting shots now, but will it continue that one game when they dont?

It needs to.


Exactly; trust in teammates can't fluctuate daily
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12/7/2013  12:10 PM
"It's not personal. It's strictly business."

Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly; trust in teammates can't fluctuate daily

Excellent point Bonn1997. Committment to the team concept is 24/ 7 / 365, not just when it is convenient. Problem is, the matchups change daily. Carmelo must learn not to take any challenge personally.

Same with Felton. If his man hits a shot over him, he is not obligated to shoot as a means to assert his manhood.

"Hit the open man."

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12/7/2013  12:50 PM
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12/7/2013  1:05 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Hopefully they remember that for the playoffs this time and not tense up and revert to isos where Melo gets his 30-40 and we lose

I have a feeling you would have the same exact complaints about Ewing.

Houston, LJ and spree were key contributors it wasn't just Ewing. Any one of them even Starks was capable of 20 on any given night. The offense didn't consisted of dumping it to Ewing for 30 shots a night


If this Knicks team had LJ, Spree and Houston, Melo would shoot less. He did the year he had Billups.
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12/7/2013  1:27 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:I hope it lasts, the guys are hitting shots now, but will it continue that one game when they dont?

It needs to.


Exactly; trust in teammates can't fluctuate daily

+1
Love the winning but I'm anticipating what happens when the shots stop falling. Also, a good portion of our ball movement is rarely going towards the rim (cuts, rolls - Bargs pops, Amare is the only roller). So when the 3s stop falling, what do we do?
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12/7/2013  1:28 PM
misterearl wrote:What's Better?

“There’ll be a time again where I need to step up and score those points again but the last couple games, the guys stepped up big time and it just allowed me to make them better and they made me better,”

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There will never be a time for him to take ridiculous shots or more then he should..keep finding the open man and hit guys in rhythm.. your blowing Teams out by 30 playing that way, there's no defense on the planet that can consistently stop Ball movement..

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12/7/2013  1:29 PM
Good question. Guess we will find out
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12/7/2013  1:37 PM
The team resorts to ISO Melo when guys are bricking shots.

We all know Felton, Smith, and Shumpert are erratic shooters.

We all have seen the Knicks play hot potato with the rocks when shots aren't falling as well.

Team still needs an upgrades in the back court.
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12/7/2013  1:53 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:I hope it lasts, the guys are hitting shots now, but will it continue that one game when they dont?

It needs to.


Exactly; trust in teammates can't fluctuate daily

+1
Love the winning but I'm anticipating what happens when the shots stop falling. Also, a good portion of our ball movement is rarely going towards the rim (cuts, rolls - Bargs pops, Amare is the only roller). So when the 3s stop falling, what do we do?

It does seem like the player weith the ball just stops abruptly at the three point line, when there are clear chances to drive in further, but I do wanna see what happens when those threes stop falling.
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12/7/2013  7:28 PM
What I notice from the last 2 games was the players were moving when ever Melo had the ball instead of waiting for him to do his thing. I honestly believe that Melo will pass the ball if someone is open. I remember it was the same way back in the Ewing days.
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12/7/2013  9:52 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Hopefully they remember that for the playoffs this time and not tense up and revert to isos where Melo gets his 30-40 and we lose

I have a feeling you would have the same exact complaints about Ewing.

Houston, LJ and spree were key contributors it wasn't just Ewing. Any one of them even Starks was capable of 20 on any given night. The offense didn't consisted of dumping it to Ewing for 30 shots a night


If this Knicks team had LJ, Spree and Houston, Melo would shoot less. He did the year he had Billups.

In his 3 years with Billups, he took 19.9 shots a game. His overall career average is 19.6.
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12/7/2013  11:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2013  11:12 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Hopefully they remember that for the playoffs this time and not tense up and revert to isos where Melo gets his 30-40 and we lose

I have a feeling you would have the same exact complaints about Ewing.

Houston, LJ and spree were key contributors it wasn't just Ewing. Any one of them even Starks was capable of 20 on any given night. The offense didn't consisted of dumping it to Ewing for 30 shots a night


If this Knicks team had LJ, Spree and Houston, Melo would shoot less. He did the year he had Billups.

In his 3 years with Billups, he took 19.9 shots a game. His overall career average is 19.6.


In Ewing's prime, between 1992-96, he averaged, 19.1,19.0,18.4 and 19.2 shots and game and before that 1989-91 he averaged 20.4, 20.3 and 18.6 shots a game. So yeah, I have a feeling guns would have the exact same complaints about Ewing.
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