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NYKBocker
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12/5/2013  3:28 PM
Nalod wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Briggs, I was trying to explain to Mrs Nalod about Marbury, Eddy, Capspace trades and Melo trades were suppose to make us better and its why we trade away picks. To make these deals and get worse and perhaps watch a pick become a lottery pick is criminal.

We swap picks with Denver this year right?

Small consolaton, but at least we have a no. 1.

no swap. 2014 pick is going to denver outright.

knicks have their own 2015 first rounder.

raptors or denver gets knicks 2016 first rounder.

so over the next 3 drafts, knicks have only 1 first rounder and that's 2015.

smart owner/gm - trade melo for draft pick in this draft (lottery or not) - and hope to squeeze another one in 2016.
tank immediately for the next 2 seasons.
become player in 2015 FA market while hopefully landing a stud in the 2015 draft.

Ok, but trade Melo to whom? To a team he'll resign with. Lets be real, trading him is not easy. How? Do the lakes have their own pick this year? I assume melo resigns with them. would he go to Chicago? La La has to approve. Would he go to dallas? Houston? Can he and Harden exist to win?

Its easy to say "lets trade him" but were is the leverage?

Houston has a little hiccup right now. They lost 2 in a row because Lin and Parsons are out. They also want to get rid of Asik. Natives are restless and they want their next big thing for their big 3. Imagine Dwight, TJones, Melo, Harden, Beverley lineup. That would challenge the Heat.

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12/5/2013  3:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2013  3:55 PM
dk7th wrote:i hate to break it to my fellow knick fans but the general managers and front offices league-wide have had the scales fall from their eyes regarding our hero. it was bound to happen eventually.

he is virtually untradeable at this point in his career. he has a hard time fitting in with others, his price tag is way too high and his skills way too limited to add him to a near-contender except as a mark aguirre-type.

then there's the issue of character....

How the heck do you know what all GMs think?! You're just projecting your own views onto other people who you've never spoken to in your life!

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12/5/2013  4:04 PM
smackeddog wrote:
dk7th wrote:i hate to break it to my fellow knick fans but the general managers and front offices league-wide have had the scales fall from their eyes regarding our hero. it was bound to happen eventually.

he is virtually untradeable at this point in his career. he has a hard time fitting in with others, his price tag is way too high and his skills way too limited to add him to a near-contender except as a mark aguirre-type.

then there's the issue of character....

How the heck do you know what all GMs think?! You're just projecting your own views onto other people who you've never spoken to in your life!

you're right i guess all i have to go by is common sense. can't wait to be proven wrong though i kid you not!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/5/2013  4:31 PM
dk7th wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
dk7th wrote:i hate to break it to my fellow knick fans but the general managers and front offices league-wide have had the scales fall from their eyes regarding our hero. it was bound to happen eventually.

he is virtually untradeable at this point in his career. he has a hard time fitting in with others, his price tag is way too high and his skills way too limited to add him to a near-contender except as a mark aguirre-type.

then there's the issue of character....

How the heck do you know what all GMs think?! You're just projecting your own views onto other people who you've never spoken to in your life!

you're right i guess all i have to go by is common sense. can't wait to be proven wrong though i kid you not!

And you might indeed be right- but hopefully you're wrong!

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12/5/2013  4:39 PM
I thought both Asik and Lin have these third year bloated contracts that could mess us up.
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12/5/2013  4:47 PM
smackeddog wrote:
dk7th wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
dk7th wrote:i hate to break it to my fellow knick fans but the general managers and front offices league-wide have had the scales fall from their eyes regarding our hero. it was bound to happen eventually.

he is virtually untradeable at this point in his career. he has a hard time fitting in with others, his price tag is way too high and his skills way too limited to add him to a near-contender except as a mark aguirre-type.

then there's the issue of character....

How the heck do you know what all GMs think?! You're just projecting your own views onto other people who you've never spoken to in your life!

you're right i guess all i have to go by is common sense. can't wait to be proven wrong though i kid you not!

And you might indeed be right- but hopefully you're wrong!

i keep hoping i am wrong about the knicks but they do their level best to confirm my take on things.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/5/2013  5:33 PM
I agree many here overrate what we can get for him, but for the right price, he moves.

I'd be happy with a 2nd rounder. Part will be removing his cancer from the team and the real improvement will be to the front office to realize they need to start over.

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12/5/2013  5:37 PM
Nalod wrote:Can't buy 2nd round picks anymore as it counts. You can spend it on a player or a pick but not both. CBA put the Kibosh on some of that.

We built a team and the CBA has been awful. Dolan should have had the saavy Steve Mills on board a few years ago.

Second round picks are still pretty attainable. The Knicks got one from OKC in the Brewer trade. I think someone suggested moving Beno for a second rounder. Pretty sure those types of deals will always be available. The CBA certainly does hinder the Knicks way of doing business.
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12/5/2013  5:42 PM
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earthmansurfer wrote:We could have had a full team with Talent, picks, assets, etc. and MElow could have had NJ.

Minus the talent. A team led by Gallo and broken down Amare is not a talented team. If the argument is we could have taken our package for Melo and turned it into another talented player, thats fine, although it was less likely. But the likelihood is we would have been a bad team, but not bad enough to really improve thru the draft. The Amare contract is what really killed this team.


My honest opinion is that we could have just gotten Melo for less had Dolan just let Walsh stay in control. Throughout that season Walsh was consistent with not giving up so many players in all those proposed deals that we saw.

Yep and the media(led by Stephen A. Michael Kay and Mike Francesa) kept pushing that you give up everything you have to get a player like Carmelo and Dolan was listening and the rest is history

Well the only hedging on Walsh's part was in regards to including Moz. If that is accurate then I think you have to do that deal. For every 17 and 20 night Moz has, he has a hundred 8 and 4 games like last night. You don't not trade for a 26 year old star because you have to include a center that might make your rotation and possibly become a fringe starter. Also, Melo was going to NJ if he didn't go to the Knicks and knowing that he is going to a team in the same market and conference if you don't get him does make a difference.
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12/5/2013  6:56 PM
tick tock tick tock

i'm so happy the clock is winding down on the carmelo anthony era. reality has finally caught up with him and dolan-- the two people if not solely then at least most accountable for this waste of time. lots of money heading their way but i take comfort in the fact that they can't run away from what sickening losers they are no matter how much FU money they have. a big **** you to both of them!

things are not going to get any better-- maybe a few more wins with tyson chandler back-- but can there be any doubt at this point what a colossal waste of time the last two years have been?

carmelo anthony will go down in history as one of the worst pro athletes new york has ever been poisoned by. good riddance to this loser and if he ends up screwing the knicks it's because dolan has earned this in spades!!!


BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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