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11/30/2013  1:58 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.

7th or 8th man at best.. he sucks.. you say he has been playing well? again, you ignore all the other parts of the game.. he is letting guys get by, not protecting the paint, late on rotations... the guy is doo doo..

In my opinion Bargs is playing well. The problem comes in his rotational D. His rotations are slightly better than Amare's, which is slightly better than the worst in the league. If you want to be playing for anything more than 8th seed Bargs can not be a starter on your team. He would be a good 6th man off the bench where he can score and not be torched by the other teams bums.

I think you need more than what he offers for a 6th man.. I think 7th or 8th man is about right.... honestly, he plays a position which IMO needs a leverl of touhgness and competence in the paint on both ends... he is a jumpshooting big who doesn't like the paint at all. that is a problem..


Miami just won two championship with Chris Bosh. You don't need Thorpe or Oak to win in today's NBA game. But you do need solid schemes and you can't just give up the lane unless you have Hibbert or Dwight on the backline.

It also helps that they have LeBron James....our guys need a LeBron to win.
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11/30/2013  2:03 PM
knickscity wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.

7th or 8th man at best.. he sucks.. you say he has been playing well? again, you ignore all the other parts of the game.. he is letting guys get by, not protecting the paint, late on rotations... the guy is doo doo..

In my opinion Bargs is playing well. The problem comes in his rotational D. His rotations are slightly better than Amare's, which is slightly better than the worst in the league. If you want to be playing for anything more than 8th seed Bargs can not be a starter on your team. He would be a good 6th man off the bench where he can score and not be torched by the other teams bums.

I think you need more than what he offers for a 6th man.. I think 7th or 8th man is about right.... honestly, he plays a position which IMO needs a leverl of touhgness and competence in the paint on both ends... he is a jumpshooting big who doesn't like the paint at all. that is a problem..


Miami just won two championship with Chris Bosh. You don't need Thorpe or Oak to win in today's NBA game. But you do need solid schemes and you can't just give up the lane unless you have Hibbert or Dwight on the backline.

It also helps that they have LeBron James....our guys need a LeBron to win.

yeah and bargnani has nothing in common with Bosh anyway
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11/30/2013  2:05 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.

7th or 8th man at best.. he sucks.. you say he has been playing well? again, you ignore all the other parts of the game.. he is letting guys get by, not protecting the paint, late on rotations... the guy is doo doo..

In my opinion Bargs is playing well. The problem comes in his rotational D. His rotations are slightly better than Amare's, which is slightly better than the worst in the league. If you want to be playing for anything more than 8th seed Bargs can not be a starter on your team. He would be a good 6th man off the bench where he can score and not be torched by the other teams bums.

I think you need more than what he offers for a 6th man.. I think 7th or 8th man is about right.... honestly, he plays a position which IMO needs a leverl of touhgness and competence in the paint on both ends... he is a jumpshooting big who doesn't like the paint at all. that is a problem..


Miami just won two championship with Chris Bosh. You don't need Thorpe or Oak to win in today's NBA game. But you do need solid schemes and you can't just give up the lane unless you have Hibbert or Dwight on the backline.

It also helps that they have LeBron James....our guys need a LeBron to win.

yeah and bargnani has nothing in common with Bosh anyway


For real, Bosh jumper is money, and he's clearly playing a reduced role.
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11/30/2013  2:50 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.

7th or 8th man at best.. he sucks.. you say he has been playing well? again, you ignore all the other parts of the game.. he is letting guys get by, not protecting the paint, late on rotations... the guy is doo doo..

In my opinion Bargs is playing well. The problem comes in his rotational D. His rotations are slightly better than Amare's, which is slightly better than the worst in the league. If you want to be playing for anything more than 8th seed Bargs can not be a starter on your team. He would be a good 6th man off the bench where he can score and not be torched by the other teams bums.

I think you need more than what he offers for a 6th man.. I think 7th or 8th man is about right.... honestly, he plays a position which IMO needs a leverl of touhgness and competence in the paint on both ends... he is a jumpshooting big who doesn't like the paint at all. that is a problem..


Miami just won two championship with Chris Bosh. You don't need Thorpe or Oak to win in today's NBA game. But you do need solid schemes and you can't just give up the lane unless you have Hibbert or Dwight on the backline.

Bosh is an excellent defender and you should give him more credit than that. If you replaced Bosh with most all star big men, the Heat wouldn't have won.
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11/30/2013  2:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2013  2:53 PM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.

7th or 8th man at best.. he sucks.. you say he has been playing well? again, you ignore all the other parts of the game.. he is letting guys get by, not protecting the paint, late on rotations... the guy is doo doo..

In my opinion Bargs is playing well. The problem comes in his rotational D. His rotations are slightly better than Amare's, which is slightly better than the worst in the league. If you want to be playing for anything more than 8th seed Bargs can not be a starter on your team. He would be a good 6th man off the bench where he can score and not be torched by the other teams bums.

I think you need more than what he offers for a 6th man.. I think 7th or 8th man is about right.... honestly, he plays a position which IMO needs a leverl of touhgness and competence in the paint on both ends... he is a jumpshooting big who doesn't like the paint at all. that is a problem..


Miami just won two championship with Chris Bosh. You don't need Thorpe or Oak to win in today's NBA game. But you do need solid schemes and you can't just give up the lane unless you have Hibbert or Dwight on the backline.

It also helps that they have LeBron James....our guys need a LeBron to win.

yeah and bargnani has nothing in common with Bosh anyway


For real, Bosh jumper is money, and he's clearly playing a reduced role.

He's playing a different role, not a reduced one. He's a facilitator on offense and provide insane spacing to the team as his jumper is automatic. And the Heat has stated numerous times he was the engine of their D.
Crazy, a double-double allstar reinvent himself for the good of a team only to be labelled as ''reduced''... No wonder ppl like Melo around here with that kind of thinking.


Edit: And I'm not even a Bosh fan, I would've been disapointed to get him in 2010... I just had no idea he had this in him.
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11/30/2013  3:04 PM
raven wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.

7th or 8th man at best.. he sucks.. you say he has been playing well? again, you ignore all the other parts of the game.. he is letting guys get by, not protecting the paint, late on rotations... the guy is doo doo..

In my opinion Bargs is playing well. The problem comes in his rotational D. His rotations are slightly better than Amare's, which is slightly better than the worst in the league. If you want to be playing for anything more than 8th seed Bargs can not be a starter on your team. He would be a good 6th man off the bench where he can score and not be torched by the other teams bums.

I think you need more than what he offers for a 6th man.. I think 7th or 8th man is about right.... honestly, he plays a position which IMO needs a leverl of touhgness and competence in the paint on both ends... he is a jumpshooting big who doesn't like the paint at all. that is a problem..


Miami just won two championship with Chris Bosh. You don't need Thorpe or Oak to win in today's NBA game. But you do need solid schemes and you can't just give up the lane unless you have Hibbert or Dwight on the backline.

Bosh is an excellent defender and you should give him more credit than that. If you replaced Bosh with most all star big men, the Heat wouldn't have won.

I think excellent is overstating it. He's become a smarter defender but he's not a stopper and he's not a guy who will knock you on your ass. Nothing wrong with that. He brings different things to the table. That's why they have Battier, Haslem and Joel Anthony to do the dirty work.

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11/30/2013  3:55 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.


Then list some good teams that you think would like to replace one of their starting PF/Cs with him.
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11/30/2013  4:00 PM
3-12 is the real problem....we didn't get here cuz Bargs can't defend. He locked down Dwight Howard. We lost that game because of coaching. Woodson didn't run pays and instead of feeding the mismatch he just let jr and Melo take turns going 1 on 5 and actually running at Howard and not finding the man that he didn't want to guard....bargnani.


That's been the problem all year. The knicks shouldn't be undefeated but they should be 8-6....That would be tolerable then you can blame it on rust or guys just trying to gel. 3-12 is all coaching. Melo is playing the most minutes in the league. Everyone puts it on him, but what is our strategy? Why are we constantly in prepared game to game? We should be playing like the Sacramento Kings back in the day. We have the talent to be better than we are.

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11/30/2013  4:00 PM
What Bargani needs around him is Tyson Chandler and a two-way SF and SG and offensive pg who can dish too. This is the type of team he needs around him to excel
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11/30/2013  4:04 PM
EnySpree wrote:3-12 is the real problem....we didn't get here cuz Bargs can't defend. He locked down Dwight Howard. We lost that game because of coaching. Woodson didn't run pays and instead of feeding the mismatch he just let jr and Melo take turns going 1 on 5 and actually running at Howard and not finding the man that he didn't want to guard....bargnani.


That's been the problem all year. The knicks shouldn't be undefeated but they should be 8-6....That would be tolerable then you can blame it on rust or guys just trying to gel. 3-12 is all coaching. Melo is playing the most minutes in the league. Everyone puts it on him, but what is our strategy? Why are we constantly in prepared game to game? We should be playing like the Sacramento Kings back in the day. We have the talent to be better than we are.


How can you be 8-6 when you have only 1 guy who belongs on an NBA starting lineup? Or even if we accept your statement about Bargs, then the whole roster has 2 guys who belong on a starting lineup. Your statement is just out of touch with the actual roster we have. You sound like a fan who loves his players and doesn't realize almost all of them are bottom tier NBA players.
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11/30/2013  4:26 PM
playa2 wrote:What Bargani needs around him is Tyson Chandler and a two-way SF and SG and offensive pg who can dish too. This is the type of team he needs around him to excel

Isn't that what we have?

Melo scores and he is an adequate defender. Jr scores and defends as well. Felton is a scoring point guard too....I confess back to wth the plan is. There is no plan but I iso..... that is that bull****.

Yes Felton sucks and Melo and jr aren't starks and xman but they are honest defenders at this point of their careers.

It's the plan man or lack there of

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11/30/2013  4:30 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.

7th or 8th man at best.. he sucks.. you say he has been playing well? again, you ignore all the other parts of the game.. he is letting guys get by, not protecting the paint, late on rotations... the guy is doo doo..

In my opinion Bargs is playing well. The problem comes in his rotational D. His rotations are slightly better than Amare's, which is slightly better than the worst in the league. If you want to be playing for anything more than 8th seed Bargs can not be a starter on your team. He would be a good 6th man off the bench where he can score and not be torched by the other teams bums.

I think you need more than what he offers for a 6th man.. I think 7th or 8th man is about right.... honestly, he plays a position which IMO needs a leverl of touhgness and competence in the paint on both ends... he is a jumpshooting big who doesn't like the paint at all. that is a problem..


Miami just won two championship with Chris Bosh. You don't need Thorpe or Oak to win in today's NBA game. But you do need solid schemes and you can't just give up the lane unless you have Hibbert or Dwight on the backline.

It also helps that they have LeBron James....our guys need a LeBron to win.

yeah and bargnani has nothing in common with Bosh anyway

They're both finesse power forwards who prefer to play out on the perimeter.

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11/30/2013  4:34 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:3-12 is the real problem....we didn't get here cuz Beven write a blog saying the same. args can't defend. He locked down Dwight Howard. We lost that game because of coaching. Woodson didn't run pays and instead of feeding the mismatch he just let jr and Melo take turns going 1 on 5 and actually running at Howard and not finding the man that he didn't want to guard....bargnani.


That's been the problem all year. The knicks shouldn't be undefeated but they should be 8-6....That would be tolerable then you can blame it on rust or guys just trying to gel. 3-12 is all coaching. Melo is playing the most minutes in the league. Everyone puts it on him, but what is our strategy? Why are we constantly in prepared game to game? We should be playing like the Sacramento Kings back in the day. We have the talent to be better than we are.


How can you be 8-6 when you have only 1 guy who belongs on an NBA starting lineup? Or even if we accept your statement about Bargs, then the whole roster has 2 guys who belong on a starting lineup. Your statement is just out of touch with the actual roster we have. You sound like a fan who loves his players and doesn't realize almost all of them are bottom tier NBA players.

You must not pay attention. I hate Tyson, felton, shump, amare and Woodson right now. i even write a blog saying the same thing.

Even though we have players that suck we should not be 3-12. I'm a fan that loves the knicks. I could care less about any player. I care about the game and putting the right mix it there with a plan to win. We might not have the perfect mix but we are not a 3-12 team.

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11/30/2013  4:38 PM
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playa2 wrote:What Bargani needs around him is Tyson Chandler and a two-way SF and SG and offensive pg who can dish too. This is the type of team he needs around him to excel

Isn't that what we have?

Melo scores and he is an adequate defender. Jr scores and defends as well. Felton is a scoring point guard too....I confess back to wth the plan is. There is no plan but I iso..... that is that bull****.

Yes Felton sucks and Melo and jr aren't starks and xman but they are honest defenders at this point of their careers.

It's the plan man or lack there of

What Bargs, the team as a whole needs, is Tyson and PG who can limit penetration. Woody needs to alter the D until Tyson is healthy. Maybe play Murray more or sign Telfair. Something. Game in and game out it's the opposing team's PG who is lighting us up. To make matters worse, our PGs aren't even shooting decently. It's like we give up 10 to 15 points before the game starts.

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11/30/2013  4:41 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:3-12 is the real problem....we didn't get here cuz Beven write a blog saying the same. args can't defend. He locked down Dwight Howard. We lost that game because of coaching. Woodson didn't run pays and instead of feeding the mismatch he just let jr and Melo take turns going 1 on 5 and actually running at Howard and not finding the man that he didn't want to guard....bargnani.


That's been the problem all year. The knicks shouldn't be undefeated but they should be 8-6....That would be tolerable then you can blame it on rust or guys just trying to gel. 3-12 is all coaching. Melo is playing the most minutes in the league. Everyone puts it on him, but what is our strategy? Why are we constantly in prepared game to game? We should be playing like the Sacramento Kings back in the day. We have the talent to be better than we are.


How can you be 8-6 when you have only 1 guy who belongs on an NBA starting lineup? Or even if we accept your statement about Bargs, then the whole roster has 2 guys who belong on a starting lineup. Your statement is just out of touch with the actual roster we have. You sound like a fan who loves his players and doesn't realize almost all of them are bottom tier NBA players.

You must not pay attention. I hate Tyson, felton, shump, amare and Woodson right now. i even write a blog saying the same thing.

Even though we have players that suck we should not be 3-12. I'm a fan that loves the knicks. I could care less about any player. I care about the game and putting the right mix it there with a plan to win. We might not have the perfect mix but we are not a 3-12 team.

OK, my bad then but if you think we should be better than 3-12, I think you don't realize how much our players suck.
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11/30/2013  4:42 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs has been an OK role player. I thought he was more of a 12th man but he's playing like a legit 7th or 8th man.

That's nonsense. Dude is playing well. 7th 8th man my ass.

7th or 8th man at best.. he sucks.. you say he has been playing well? again, you ignore all the other parts of the game.. he is letting guys get by, not protecting the paint, late on rotations... the guy is doo doo..

In my opinion Bargs is playing well. The problem comes in his rotational D. His rotations are slightly better than Amare's, which is slightly better than the worst in the league. If you want to be playing for anything more than 8th seed Bargs can not be a starter on your team. He would be a good 6th man off the bench where he can score and not be torched by the other teams bums.

I think you need more than what he offers for a 6th man.. I think 7th or 8th man is about right.... honestly, he plays a position which IMO needs a leverl of touhgness and competence in the paint on both ends... he is a jumpshooting big who doesn't like the paint at all. that is a problem..


Miami just won two championship with Chris Bosh. You don't need Thorpe or Oak to win in today's NBA game. But you do need solid schemes and you can't just give up the lane unless you have Hibbert or Dwight on the backline.

It also helps that they have LeBron James....our guys need a LeBron to win.

yeah and bargnani has nothing in common with Bosh anyway

They're both finesse power forwards who prefer to play out on the perimeter.

Yeah, they have superficial similarities. I meant nothing substantive.
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11/30/2013  5:05 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:3-12 is the real problem....we didn't get here cuz Beven write a blog saying the same. args can't defend. He locked down Dwight Howard. We lost that game because of coaching. Woodson didn't run pays and instead of feeding the mismatch he just let jr and Melo take turns going 1 on 5 and actually running at Howard and not finding the man that he didn't want to guard....bargnani.


That's been the problem all year. The knicks shouldn't be undefeated but they should be 8-6....That would be tolerable then you can blame it on rust or guys just trying to gel. 3-12 is all coaching. Melo is playing the most minutes in the league. Everyone puts it on him, but what is our strategy? Why are we constantly in prepared game to game? We should be playing like the Sacramento Kings back in the day. We have the talent to be better than we are.


How can you be 8-6 when you have only 1 guy who belongs on an NBA starting lineup? Or even if we accept your statement about Bargs, then the whole roster has 2 guys who belong on a starting lineup. Your statement is just out of touch with the actual roster we have. You sound like a fan who loves his players and doesn't realize almost all of them are bottom tier NBA players.

You must not pay attention. I hate Tyson, felton, shump, amare and Woodson right now. i even write a blog saying the same thing.

Even though we have players that suck we should not be 3-12. I'm a fan that loves the knicks. I could care less about any player. I care about the game and putting the right mix it there with a plan to win. We might not have the perfect mix but we are not a 3-12 team.

OK, my bad then but if you think we should be better than 3-12, I think you don't realize how much our players suck.

Nah man....this team is isolation to death...Melo is playing over 40 mins a game....even the last game Woodson took out Hardaway just to get JR back in so they can run more iso. That is the death of us. We have the talent to be better than 3-12....

it doesn't matter if you dislike a player, you have to be realistic of the talent. These guys are not this bad...if they let felton run the team and run pick and rolls, send melo around a few screens before he touches the ball. Send guys backdoor. Set up Bargs in the high post. Send a pick his way to free him....I mean that's basic street ball and we don't even do that.

We need to get away from isolation all day long....I believe the whole coaching staff needs to go....

at the same time, yes we need a point guard. I'm praying to God we get Isaiah Thomas....then I hope we trade Amare for something like Gerald Wallace and Humphries. We sign Jeremy Tyler....

Hump and Melo with a healthy Tyson? Stick Bargs in to back them up...Wallace in the mix too. Isaiah Thomas at the point with JR smith next to him?

Get Lionel Hollins here....Stan Van Gundy....someone with the ability to use the talent they have to win.

we gotta do this asap...this waiting for Woodson to figure it out or December 15th is bull****. 15 games down the drain man.

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11/30/2013  5:13 PM
EnySpree wrote:3-12 is the real problem....we didn't get here cuz Bargs can't defend. He locked down Dwight Howard. We lost that game because of coaching. Woodson didn't run pays and instead of feeding the mismatch he just let jr and Melo take turns going 1 on 5 and actually running at Howard and not finding the man that he didn't want to guard....bargnani.


That's been the problem all year. The knicks shouldn't be undefeated but they should be 8-6....That would be tolerable then you can blame it on rust or guys just trying to gel. 3-12 is all coaching. Melo is playing the most minutes in the league. Everyone puts it on him, but what is our strategy? Why are we constantly in prepared game to game? We should be playing like the Sacramento Kings back in the day. We have the talent to be better than we are.

perpetuating myths like that just makes it hard to tell if you really understand what you are watching.... Do you really think he locked Dwight Howard down? really?

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11/30/2013  5:14 PM
playa2 wrote:What Bargani needs around him is Tyson Chandler and a two-way SF and SG and offensive pg who can dish too. This is the type of team he needs around him to excel

Bargs needs to see the wizard for a heart, and to be in the euro leagues..

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11/30/2013  5:15 PM
EnySpree wrote:3-12 is the real problem....we didn't get here cuz Bargs can't defend. He locked down Dwight Howard. We lost that game because of coaching. Woodson didn't run pays and instead of feeding the mismatch he just let jr and Melo take turns going 1 on 5 and actually running at Howard and not finding the man that he didn't want to guard....bargnani.


That's been the problem all year. The knicks shouldn't be undefeated but they should be 8-6....That would be tolerable then you can blame it on rust or guys just trying to gel. 3-12 is all coaching. Melo is playing the most minutes in the league. Everyone puts it on him, but what is our strategy? Why are we constantly in prepared game to game? We should be playing like the Sacramento Kings back in the day. We have the talent to be better than we are.

Agree. Also there have been some bad breaks like the end of the INdy game. I think a win there turns this team around or minimally gets them on the right track. Also, some of those early season losses in games where they should have won seem a lot worse when the team is 3-12.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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