dk7th wrote:

Clean wrote:

dk7th wrote:it would have been nice if he had been allowed to play under a system coach and alongside a system player, injuries notwithstanding. he makes a very convenient scapegoat.

have you not seen his defense? I personally think he is the absolute worse defender there has ever been in the NBA. I have never seen a person be confused so many times by a simple pass or simple pick. That does not even include the Amare special defensive play. The point at the player driving to the hoop and yell pick him up. The only problem is that is the guy Amare should be guarding.

I heard someone say something about Amare that I had to think about but I came to the conclusion that it was accurate. The person said that Amare has always been a terrible basketball player. The thing is that he had exceptional athletic ability that covered a great deal of his lack luster overall game. For example, he blows a defensive assignment he would just run down the player and end up with a highlight block. With that advantage now gone we are left with the low basketball IQ player.

yes he was never taught defense. that is clear. when you make the leap from high school there's a higher probability of not coming to the nba with sound fundamentals. and lets face it when you have nash hitting you with pocket passes in stride and rhythm you can get away with an awful lot, especially as the decision-making is out of your hands. he was a GREAT finisher.

i knew this when he came to new york and kept insisting that he pick up his assists. he never really found teammates that were open when he was doubled and tripled. that is the kiss of death for a team, as we have seen similarly with melo. but then lets remember he also had a severe eye injury and that wearing those goggles surely impairs what limited peripheral vision he might have had to see an orange and blue jersey.

one wonders how garnett got his defensive and passing instincts.

Dugel says that Stoudemire has 20/20 vision with contact lenses and that there are no restrictions on his activity.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Clean wrote:

dk7th wrote:it would have been nice if he had been allowed to play under a system coach and alongside a system player, injuries notwithstanding. he makes a very convenient scapegoat.

have you not seen his defense? I personally think he is the absolute worse defender there has ever been in the NBA. I have never seen a person be confused so many times by a simple pass or simple pick. That does not even include the Amare special defensive play. The point at the player driving to the hoop and yell pick him up. The only problem is that is the guy Amare should be guarding.

I heard someone say something about Amare that I had to think about but I came to the conclusion that it was accurate. The person said that Amare has always been a terrible basketball player. The thing is that he had exceptional athletic ability that covered a great deal of his lack luster overall game. For example, he blows a defensive assignment he would just run down the player and end up with a highlight block. With that advantage now gone we are left with the low basketball IQ player.

yes he was never taught defense. that is clear. when you make the leap from high school there's a higher probability of not coming to the nba with sound fundamentals. and lets face it when you have nash hitting you with pocket passes in stride and rhythm you can get away with an awful lot, especially as the decision-making is out of your hands. he was a GREAT finisher.

i knew this when he came to new york and kept insisting that he pick up his assists. he never really found teammates that were open when he was doubled and tripled. that is the kiss of death for a team, as we have seen similarly with melo. but then lets remember he also had a severe eye injury and that wearing those goggles surely impairs what limited peripheral vision he might have had to see an orange and blue jersey.

one wonders how garnett got his defensive and passing instincts.

Dugel says that Stoudemire has 20/20 vision with contact lenses and that there are no restrictions on his activity.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... es-CR.html
Interesting that he averaged the most assists in his career his first year in NY.

i am talking about those goggles not contact lenses. and 2.6 assists with 3.2 turnovers = ineffective playmaker.

How can woody continue to play this guy? He can pout all he wants at home if he becomes a distraction. No way would he ever touch the court if I was the coach.

RonRon wrote:2 years ago - Knicks were 22W - 25L with Stoudemire, 14W - 5L without Stoudemire
Last season - Knicks were 16W - 13L with Stoudemire, 38W - 15L without Stoudemire
This season - Knicks - 80 points when Stoudemire is playing

Like Linsanity, people will focus on the half-season of Amare beasting we were treated to rather than what the larger sample size of his entire Knick career reflects.

We now return to you to your normally scheduled Melohate.

knickscity wrote:

Clean wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 6m
#Knicks have been outscored by 80 points in Amar'e Stoudemire's 145 minutes. His rate of -19.9/36 minutes is 396th out of 500 NBA players.

How can woody continue to play this guy? He can pout all he wants at home if he becomes a distraction. No way would he ever touch the court if I was the coach.

it would be different if they are playing well then amare messes it up...that isnt the case.

I feel that this was the case in the Clippers loss, we were balling with them from what I saw and Amar'e came in to throw forks into the wheels

IronWillGiroud wrote:YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE NBA!!!!!!!!

Honestly, do you think he just lost his game over night? Really. I am not a big fan what A'mare or how the Knicks staff is handling this. Even before his back injury, he was one of the weakest NBA defenders that I have seen in a longtime. A'mare isn't getting an opportunity to show case what he has left because of our suspect PG play. Give him a decent pg, and I gaurentee people will start talking about the guy as if we just found his game in a back alley somewhere. A'mare isn't done, but our team scheme just doesn't work for him and the coaches aren't help his cause.

nycisgreat wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE NBA!!!!!!!!

Honestly, do you think he just lost his game over night? Really. I am not a big fan what A'mare or how the Knicks staff is handling this. Even before his back injury, he was one of the weakest NBA defenders that I have seen in a longtime. A'mare isn't getting an opportunity to show case what he has left because of our suspect PG play. Give him a decent pg, and I gaurentee people will start talking about the guy as if we just found his game in a back alley somewhere. A'mare isn't done, but our team scheme just doesn't work for him and the coaches aren't help his cause.

I have seen about 5 Amare pick and roll plays this year and I think he scored 4 times. A good PG brings out the best in Amare. The defense I always felt that when Amare is clicking offensively his defense picks up too. But I don't know if his tank is full though.

nycisgreat wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE NBA!!!!!!!!

Honestly, do you think he just lost his game over night? Really. I am not a big fan what A'mare or how the Knicks staff is handling this. Even before his back injury, he was one of the weakest NBA defenders that I have seen in a longtime. A'mare isn't getting an opportunity to show case what he has left because of our suspect PG play. Give him a decent pg, and I gaurentee people will start talking about the guy as if we just found his game in a back alley somewhere. A'mare isn't done, but our team scheme just doesn't work for him and the coaches aren't help his cause.

Vmart wrote:

nycisgreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nycisgreat wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE NBA!!!!!!!!

Honestly, do you think he just lost his game over night? Really. I am not a big fan what A'mare or how the Knicks staff is handling this. Even before his back injury, he was one of the weakest NBA defenders that I have seen in a longtime. A'mare isn't getting an opportunity to show case what he has left because of our suspect PG play. Give him a decent pg, and I gaurentee people will start talking about the guy as if we just found his game in a back alley somewhere. A'mare isn't done, but our team scheme just doesn't work for him and the coaches aren't help his cause.

I have seen about 5 Amare pick and roll plays this year and I think he scored 4 times. A good PG brings out the best in Amare. The defense I always felt that when Amare is clicking offensively his defense picks up too. But I don't know if his tank is full though.

Anyone expecting defense from A'mare is fooling themselves. When he was high and flying, remember what defensive guru he was playing for. lol. A'mare still have that mid range jumper and the ability to run a pick and roll, but Woodson prefers to run iso's and whatever else he draws up for JR which doesn't work. lol. I thought Felton coming back here would've been good for A'mare, but his play has been awful. He is always injured.

I didn't say Amare is a defensive shut down master, I just think when all players in general do better defensively when they are getting touches on the offensive side. Especially offensive player they tend to give a little more effort on the defensive side. Just look at Shump once his offensive game went down even his defense started taking a hit.

I know. I am not saying you. They are many people here who think he lost a step because of surgeries and so forth. All his procedure were all minor. Blowing an ACL, MCL, PCL are major injuries. Players like Bernard Kings and countless others were able to come back stronger than ever. Believe it on not the many non-invasive procedure now days are light years beyond what BK went through. A'mare is getting older, and I expect his to slow down a bit, but what he is producing now days has nothing to do with him. It has everything to do with the team. As soon as Felton was traded the first time around. A'mare never was the same player he was when he first signed with this team. Billips was old slow, and was unable to provide the PnR the same way he had with Felton.

nycisgreat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nycisgreat wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE NBA!!!!!!!!

Honestly, do you think he just lost his game over night? Really. I am not a big fan what A'mare or how the Knicks staff is handling this. Even before his back injury, he was one of the weakest NBA defenders that I have seen in a longtime. A'mare isn't getting an opportunity to show case what he has left because of our suspect PG play. Give him a decent pg, and I gaurentee people will start talking about the guy as if we just found his game in a back alley somewhere. A'mare isn't done, but our team scheme just doesn't work for him and the coaches aren't help his cause.

I think his game is based on athleticism and I think his knees are shot so yeah I think he has lost it. It wasn't overnight but it was over a calendar year when he had three surgeries on his knee. He might have a nice run of 5-15 games with a different point guard but then I think he breaks down again. He has also looked slow and disinterested. It seems different to me then just not in a rhythm.

I think him losing any step would have to do more with age than surgeries. All of his knee surgeries were minor (fluid in the knees, debris, etc). ACL, MCL, PCL are major injuries that require year of more off to come back fully healthy. A'mare hasn't been the same playing since Melo was traded here, nor has he had any PG play to support him like Felton's first stint with the Knicks. The teams offense scheme isn't conducive to A'mare. I think he is still running the floor well on offense, but when you run tons of iso's and there isn't any ball movement. People just stand around. That include Amare. I think A'mare would do well with D'antoni in LA. Our team just don't push the ball. Woodson love playing half court ball, and we aren't good at it either. I believe that falls on the him. If we play an up tempo offense A'mare would be more comfortable.

CrushAlot wrote:

nycisgreat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nycisgreat wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE NBA!!!!!!!!

Honestly, do you think he just lost his game over night? Really. I am not a big fan what A'mare or how the Knicks staff is handling this. Even before his back injury, he was one of the weakest NBA defenders that I have seen in a longtime. A'mare isn't getting an opportunity to show case what he has left because of our suspect PG play. Give him a decent pg, and I gaurentee people will start talking about the guy as if we just found his game in a back alley somewhere. A'mare isn't done, but our team scheme just doesn't work for him and the coaches aren't help his cause.

I think his game is based on athleticism and I think his knees are shot so yeah I think he has lost it. It wasn't overnight but it was over a calendar year when he had three surgeries on his knee. He might have a nice run of 5-15 games with a different point guard but then I think he breaks down again. He has also looked slow and disinterested. It seems different to me then just not in a rhythm.

I think him losing any step would have to do more with age than surgeries. All of his knee surgeries were minor (fluid in the knees, debris, etc). ACL, MCL, PCL are major injuries that require year of more off to come back fully healthy. A'mare hasn't been the same playing since Melo was traded here, nor has he had any PG play to support him like Felton's first stint with the Knicks. The teams offense scheme isn't conducive to A'mare. I think he is still running the floor well on offense, but when you run tons of iso's and there isn't any ball movement. People just stand around. That include Amare. I think A'mare would do well with D'antoni in LA. Our team just don't push the ball. Woodson love playing half court ball, and we aren't good at it either. I believe that falls on the him. If we play an up tempo offense A'mare would be more comfortable.

You know that he had micro fracture surgery on his knees when he was in Phoenix and that the doctors there told the team not to sign to a contract longer then four years because of the timeline that most players would be able to play post microfracture surgery? The additional surgeries after the micro fracture surgery might not be as concerning if they were not after micro fracture surgery.

Yeah, you are right. Microfracture surgery is serious. What Greg Oden had is severe. Amare is no where near what the guy had. Also the last set of surgeries if I am not mistaken were on his opposite knee. With microsurgeries they are always risks. Like a car with high mileage. Amare rash of recent injuries are unrelated to micro-surgeries.