EnySpree wrote:What about amare? Hakeem could be a catalyst for that deal. Amare is wasting here. The Rockets don't have a big man. The young kid they have in there is doing good though. Houston could capitalize on a resurrected amare....we could do the same with Lin and asik.

Here's the deal with Amar'e -- the dude has zero trade value right now. Horrible contract, bad knees and he's a shell of what he used to be ability-wise. That's the reality...Any team looking to deal for him wouldn't even give us pennies on the dollar for him right now and rightly so I suppose. And for us, as we've seen time & time again with him, whenever he's hurt and had a long layoff recovering from something, it takes him an eternity to round back into form. I was all for playing him bigger mins and being patient even as of a few days ago -- it's just so painful and so hard to watch how far he's fallen. Can't even execute the most basic of moves, his jumper's all but disapeared, gets his shot thrown back at him 75% of the time (sometimes by players that aren't even shot-blockers)...PAINFUL...Even his whole demeanor -- it's like he knows he done now. You barely hear a peep outta the man now-a-days. So sorry to say it but I really think the end is near...And forget Kenyon Martin. I can't stand this guy. It's like playing with Ronny Turiaf out there all over again. He's that bad an offensive player. Even as a rebounder/defender, he's just way too past his prime now to expect anything big outta him anymore. Not being a hater, it's just reality.

I'm done with STAT and K-Mart -- to me, those guys are 2 of the biggest problems in this whole downturn. We need some fresh young legs at the PF spot, up front in general. Case closed...PLAY COLE ALDRICH!!!! And if he proves he's not the answer -- KEEP LOOKING!!!! I think infusing a little more strength/youth/rebounding up front would do wonders. Go get Kevin Jones from the D-League, maybe Malcolm Thomas...Sign a 7 footer with promise etc. -- Hassan Whiteside (at least when a guy like Lillard beats Udrih off the dribble like he's not even there, there'll be a nice little surprise waiting for him at the rim) or a real polished, ready-to-go 7-footer like Marcus Cousin. These options are out there man -- we just aren't doing anything about this problem. Chandler out, Bargnani's softer than a down pillow, STAT and Martin are barely hanging on --- we need another dog up front in the worst way!!!

Vmart wrote:Free Amare!!!
Free Murry!!!
Free Hardaway!!!
Free Aldrich!!!
Free the ball Melo and JR!!!
Free your mind Shump!!!
And for the love of God Free Woodson!!!
Free the fan base Dolan!!!

Then rinse and repeat the same method with the frontcourt -- play Cole Aldrich!!! See if he could be anything close to one of the Plumlee brothers (I think he could---I remember what I saw in college). Sign Kevin Jones or maybe a Malcolm Thomas out of the DL...Where's Jamelle Hagins?? That guy could add shot-blocking and rebounding. He's like a young K-mart. Go look at his Delaware clips--real polished looking NBA-ready game...Jeremy Tyler, provided he's healthy, should be signed as soon as he proves to be healthy...Look to improve in the middle too -- Marcus Cousin is out there and I don't know what to tell you guys -- the kid's good. One of the best 7 footers we could possibly get at the moment. How 'bout Hassan Whiteside for the rim protection alone? Or Ty Walker or Jordan Henriquez?? There's a ton of minor improvements we could make right now. Instead we're sitting on our hands just throwing away regular season games. The goal should be -- shoring up any and all weaknesses and getting back to .500 asap and go from there.

Vasquez would solve our problems at PG. He is also under performing at SAC so the time is right to pry him.

BRIGGS wrote:Tyson Chandler to New Orleans for Tyreke Evans--Evans is a bad fit for them and we can make him our PG.
Bargani to Houston for Asik

first trade ok.. houston would want no parts of bargnani. I think they have their sights set on Ryan anderson who is better by a country mile..

Vmart wrote:

Finestrg wrote:^ I agree we need help at the point, even agree a youngster like Pressey could help, but there's no way I'm dealing for a guy like Pressey when I know for a fact I could get something similar w/o giving up anything. Look into signing Jeremy Pargo -- try to get him out of his Russian contract. Sign Curtis Jerrells. Sign Seth Curry out of the DL (another great game last night btw for Santa Cruz -- 23 & 10 with 3 steals)... I like all 3 of these guys better than Pressey anyway---they're all bigger and more talented imho.. Pressey could help but why trade anything for a guy like him?? Ainge added Pressey for nothing right after the draft concluded -- why can't we do the same type of thing?? And if none of these options worked out, KEEP LOOKING!!! There are still options out there. Start with Toure Murry and go from there!!!! Detroit grabbed Payton Siva late in the draft (56) -- nobody thought that kid was an NBA PG and look at him now--he's contributing...Look into making a small deal with Houston for Isaiah Canaan...Where's Pierre Jackson? New Orleans drafted him in the middle of the 2nd round but I think they gave up on him. Playing in France I believe...Where's Sherron Collins these days??? Michael Loyd Jr??? Come up with a board of about 20 PGs that might be available and go from the top down until we zero in on someone....That's what I'd be looking at right now -- coming up with my own Phil Pressey...In the meantime, build Shump back up (Woody should make it a personal mission now---get this kid touches, run plays for him, instill confidence!!) and look for help elsewhere. There are better options. Not interested in dealing our best young player while his value is at an all-time low.

Then rinse and repeat the same method with the frontcourt -- play Cole Aldrich!!! See if he could be anything close to one of the Plumlee brothers (I think he could---I remember what I saw in college). Sign Kevin Jones or maybe a Malcolm Thomas out of the DL...Where's Jamelle Hagins?? That guy could add shot-blocking and rebounding. He's like a young K-mart. Go look at his Delaware clips--real polished looking NBA-ready game...Jeremy Tyler, provided he's healthy, should be signed as soon as he proves to be healthy...Look to improve in the middle too -- Marcus Cousin is out there and I don't know what to tell you guys -- the kid's good. One of the best 7 footers we could possibly get at the moment. How 'bout Hassan Whiteside for the rim protection alone? Or Ty Walker or Jordan Henriquez?? There's a ton of minor improvements we could make right now. Instead we're sitting on our hands just throwing away regular season games. The goal should be -- shoring up any and all weaknesses and getting back to .500 asap and go from there.

I like the idea of Seth Curry. Pressey is a pure PG who has great passing skills.

This guy is showing a real under control, smooth floor game. He's doing everything for Santa Cruz (4-0 with him at the helm). Distributing the ball well and knocking down his shots (a lot of his damage is coming from 2-pt range too btw). I don't think he's some one trick pony 3-pt shooter. He's showing a fairly complete game. Playing at a high level. I think he may be a lot closer to his brother than people realize. He really had an excellent year for Duke last season. Good enough to get drafted imo. I would've made the move for him yesterday. I mean we wanted Steph Curry in the draft -- could his little brother be the next best thing? Can you imagine if we grabbed this kid and he put up a 20-10 game and we won and continued winning??? Wow...It could be Linsanity all over again man! The worst we're looking at here is a very useful 40%+ 3-pt shooter to rotate at both our guard positions. Best case scenario -- we uncover an all-star level talent here. Take the chance. Come hard and heavy -- he's probably comfortable where he is, playing for GS's affiliate waiting for a callup to play with his brother. If I'm Mills I see a great opportunity here -- I'd offer the kid the most money I could and I'd guarantee him mins, maybe even a starting role. I'd also sell him on the Garden, the Mecca and what it'd be like if he were responsible for a turnaround this season. Go from there. This could be a big move -- a Linsanity-type move. I'm telling you...

Finestrg wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Finestrg wrote:^ I agree we need help at the point, even agree a youngster like Pressey could help, but there's no way I'm dealing for a guy like Pressey when I know for a fact I could get something similar w/o giving up anything. Look into signing Jeremy Pargo -- try to get him out of his Russian contract. Sign Curtis Jerrells. Sign Seth Curry out of the DL (another great game last night btw for Santa Cruz -- 23 & 10 with 3 steals)... I like all 3 of these guys better than Pressey anyway---they're all bigger and more talented imho.. Pressey could help but why trade anything for a guy like him?? Ainge added Pressey for nothing right after the draft concluded -- why can't we do the same type of thing?? And if none of these options worked out, KEEP LOOKING!!! There are still options out there. Start with Toure Murry and go from there!!!! Detroit grabbed Payton Siva late in the draft (56) -- nobody thought that kid was an NBA PG and look at him now--he's contributing...Look into making a small deal with Houston for Isaiah Canaan...Where's Pierre Jackson? New Orleans drafted him in the middle of the 2nd round but I think they gave up on him. Playing in France I believe...Where's Sherron Collins these days??? Michael Loyd Jr??? Come up with a board of about 20 PGs that might be available and go from the top down until we zero in on someone....That's what I'd be looking at right now -- coming up with my own Phil Pressey...In the meantime, build Shump back up (Woody should make it a personal mission now---get this kid touches, run plays for him, instill confidence!!) and look for help elsewhere. There are better options. Not interested in dealing our best young player while his value is at an all-time low.

Then rinse and repeat the same method with the frontcourt -- play Cole Aldrich!!! See if he could be anything close to one of the Plumlee brothers (I think he could---I remember what I saw in college). Sign Kevin Jones or maybe a Malcolm Thomas out of the DL...Where's Jamelle Hagins?? That guy could add shot-blocking and rebounding. He's like a young K-mart. Go look at his Delaware clips--real polished looking NBA-ready game...Jeremy Tyler, provided he's healthy, should be signed as soon as he proves to be healthy...Look to improve in the middle too -- Marcus Cousin is out there and I don't know what to tell you guys -- the kid's good. One of the best 7 footers we could possibly get at the moment. How 'bout Hassan Whiteside for the rim protection alone? Or Ty Walker or Jordan Henriquez?? There's a ton of minor improvements we could make right now. Instead we're sitting on our hands just throwing away regular season games. The goal should be -- shoring up any and all weaknesses and getting back to .500 asap and go from there.

I like the idea of Seth Curry. Pressey is a pure PG who has great passing skills.

This guy is showing a real under control, smooth floor game. He's doing everything for Santa Cruz (4-0 with him at the helm). Distributing the ball well and knocking down his shots (a lot of his damage is coming from 2-pt range too btw). I don't think he's some one trick pony 3-pt shooter. He's showing a fairly complete game. Playing at a high level. I think he may be a lot closer to his brother than people realize. He really had an excellent year for Duke last season. Good enough to get drafted imo. I would've made the move for him yesterday. I mean we wanted Steph Curry in the draft -- could his little brother be the next best thing? Can you imagine if we grabbed this kid and he put up a 20-10 game and we won and continued winning??? Wow...It could be Linsanity all over again man! The worst we're looking at here is a very useful 40%+ 3-pt shooter to rotate at both our guard positions. Best case scenario -- we uncover an all-star level talent here. Take the chance. Come hard and heavy -- he's probably comfortable where he is, playing for GS's affiliate waiting for a callup to play with his brother. If I'm Mills I see a great opportunity here -- I'd offer the kid the most money I could and I'd guarantee him mins, maybe even a starting role. I'd also sell him on the Garden, the Mecca and what it'd be like if he were responsible for a turnaround this season. Go from there. This could be a big move -- a Linsanity-type move. I'm telling you...

That's the type of thing the this organization is afraid of a Linsanity situation. Antoher player they would develop and if he exploded then they would have to deal with his demand in FA. Our main player and Woody don't go for that kind of stuff. That means Woody has to be more creative and he doesn't want any of that, and Melo would have to share the ball with his teammates and that can't happen under his watch.