Melo needs to stop holding the ball when teams double or overload a zone against him. He needs to swing the ball and players need to cut. However, last night was lost when MWP missed a layup, Amar'e had a bad turnover and Shump had a bad play. Then on the second run Amar'e got abused by L.A. and Shump missed an wide open 3 then things fell apart again.

Re SHump: He does not get any sympathy for me. If he was playing D like last year then ok but he has been slacking since the 1st game and he still has problems finishing.

yellowboy90 wrote:The Washington game the ball was moving to everyone but everyone was missing. Last night all I could think about was Shump is not getting the ball. I think the best thing would be for them to get Shump and Bargs going early off of screens. I still think Amar'e should shut up about ball movement unless he says I have to do a better job.

Melo needs to stop holding the ball when teams double or overload a zone against him. He needs to swing the ball and players need to cut. However, last night was lost when MWP missed a layup, Amar'e had a bad turnover and Shump had a bad play. Then on the second run Amar'e got abused by L.A. and Shump missed an wide open 3 then things fell apart again.

Re SHump: He does not get any sympathy for me. If he was playing D like last year then ok but he has been slacking since the 1st game and he still has problems finishing.

So basically you are saying they are a bunch of losers. Are you?

knicks1248 wrote:And I don't know if you can go on any roster and take two starters out of their roster and they still survive," Woodson added. "They might play in spurts like we are doing today. I am not making excuses, but I would sure love to take my chances with Tyson and Raymond in my lineup."

Woodson said he planned to have a "long sit-down and air it out" with players at practice Tuesday in Los Angeles about comments that came out of the Knicks' locker room before and after the team's 102-91 loss in Portland on Monday.

The Knicks (3-10) have lost seven of nine games since Chandler went down with a fractured right fibula. They have also played the past four games without Felton, who is out with back and hip injuries.

Frustration has grown with each loss. After Monday's setback, Stoudemire said his frustration level was "at an all-time high" and that the Knicks need to pass more.

"It's hard for any player to get a good rhythm when the ball don't move," Stoudemire told reporters in Portland. "I have been playing my entire career when the ball moves, and everybody ends up having a career year. When the ball don't move, guys can't get into a rhythm, they don't touch the ball often enough to get into a rhythm, and it makes it tough for the rest of the teammates to have fun out there.

"Right now we are not having fun. And the ball is not moving. We are playing one pass, one shot at this point. Teams that move the ball win. Teams that don't lose. It is pretty simple."

Anthony said before the defeat to the Blazers that the losing also has taken a toll on him.

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"When you're losing, it's not fun," Anthony told reporters at the Knicks' Monday morning shootaround. "Are we having fun on the basketball court? No. The game is not fun right now. When you start pressing, pressing, pressing, it makes everything that much worse. So no, we're not having fun playing basketball."

Woodson said the comments by Stoudemire and Anthony would be addressed at Tuesday's practice. The Knicks play the Los Angeles Clippers (10-5) on Wednesday night.

"I am not going to air out our stuff [on] the air like that," Woodson said. "I am going to address that in the locker room today when we have practice. There are a number of things that you can point the finger at. I always look at the defensive end first because that is where it starts."

Shumpert is pissed off because the ball is not moving, and woodson is not holding MELO accountable, yet you wanna come down on him cause he's young

Woodson at this point is making everybody look bad, himself, the players, the owner..

Even though melo is playing hard, and has shot decently in the last couple of games and is rebounding the ball very well, it is an absolute disrespect to the game, the fans and franchise the way this guy will not pass the ball, and keeps calling his own #, he talks about leadership and says a few (guys aren't playing with effort)lines and classify that as a sign of leadership..spear me please

Move the fkng balll you jack ass, then maybe guys will play with some passion and energy..

That moron can easily avg 6 to 7 ast a game, but he wont get it through his assinie skull. we went on an 11-0 run last night aftr being down 17 and he had 3 ast, and 1 hockey ast..

How can woodson night in an night out look at a stat sheet and see that your team is on pace to shoot the least amount of FT in one season then any other team in the history of the NBA..

Why pass the ball when none of these guys can shoot. They are poor shooters. We need to address defense. it stinks. They are not even trying. Maybe if Amare start playing defense they might start passing the ball more.

EnySpree wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Amare is not looking for the ball. He just wants to see ball movement. He knows ball movement, player movement, transition basketball better than anyone on the roster

He said Woodson preaches ball movement and it's up to the players. So who do you think of? Melo and JR

Amare wants to dunk again so he can go to the hall of fame. Amare should not be talking. Dude doesn't play defense or rebound. His basic job is to do that. Zach Randolph finishes games with 16 and 12 without his number called. Just play the game.

Zach was never spoiled playing the right way for many years with Steve Nash

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Papabear Says

Why pass the ball when none of these guys can shoot. They are poor shooters. We need to address defense. it stinks. They are not even trying. Maybe if Amare start playing defense they might start passing the ball more.

Playa writes

Because in order for them to hustle and play defense they need to touch the ball and be a part of the offensive flow. Smart players treat marginal players treats his teammates this way at the local gym if they want to win.
Thank you playa playa

Amare is a pf/C and you never ever heard some on refer to him as a selfish player..He thrived in MDA system which involved plenty of ball movement..

NYKBocker wrote:Shumpert is on the outs because he was very supportive of Lin and it was not the company line. JR Smith on the other hand was critical of Lin and got a contract for his lil bro in return.

Playa might sue you for copyright infringement.

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Shumpert is on the outs because he was very supportive of Lin and it was not the company line. JR Smith on the other hand was critical of Lin and got a contract for his lil bro in return.

I think Smith was reacting to what he perceived as a guy getting a lot based on a few nba games versus what he and other vets were getting at the time after a bit of a tenure in the league. It is good that Lin is having such a good year. He had to play up to his contract.

I'm really starting to believe it was much more then a $ issue with lin...a owner who just invested a billion dollars into msg renovations was concern about luxury tax dollars that essentially would have paid for its self..

Could it have been Melo..I would hate to think so, but when he said he couldn't care less that certain team mates thinks he's a ball stopper it makes me wonder..

That being said, this team is shockingly undisciplined. Lowest assists in NBA, bonehead moves, absolutely zero ball movement, and, episodic defense at best.

Melo is a remarkable scorer, think he's working harder this year than ever, but, he's a serious liability. He orchestrated the trade from Denver, which due to his impatience needlessly stripped the NYK of players, blew off D'Antoni, refused to play defense, blew off Linsanity, can't co-exist with Amare (when he was healthy)

Carmelo is amazingly gifted, but, he: wouldn't work with MDA, wont' play D, wont' work with Amare, wont work with an effective PG, whether you or not one feels Lin was or wasnt' one....

How do you build a team around that?

Don't see how Woodson deals with this mess. Its Melo's way or no way, and, that means no ball movement, serious limitations on what players can or cannot be on the courts (No: Amare, LIn, etc), and, Woodson must realize that.

Finestrg wrote:When Woody was talking about starting JR this off-season before he even returned from injury & suspension, at Shump's expense, is where he and Shump may have drifted apart a little bit. I know I didn't like hearing that. Shump was his starting 2 last year and played well (OK, his starting SF but that was only because they were using a smaller lineup out of necessity with Melo at the 4 -- now that we acquired Bargnani everyone knew damn well Bargs was gonna be given a chance to start and we were going to go back to a bigger, more traditional lineup). He did nothing to lose his starting gig. For coach to be running around saying that JR was gonna be his guy probably hurt. I know I didn't like it and said as much. Woody probably got himself in trouble by promising JR a starting spot when he never should've and then had no idea what to say to Shump. Woody's fault here all the way. That should be under the bridge now though hopefully -- Shump's continued to start of late, even though he's not playing well at all and JR's been coming off the bench (where he belongs if you ask me).