nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If you want MurrY then Woodsons gotta go

Murry will get some PT unless he's traded as part of a deal to upgrade the team. I have no doubt he will get some burn at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later. What happens after that, depends on how well Murry plays and how much time Woodson gives him to crack the rotation.

I'm just worried because Woody doesn't seem like the kind of coach that can teach Murry what he needs to know in order to excel. Woody has no track record for helping guards play better. It's all on Murry to figure it out with an awful offensive scheme and no help from his coach, plus some black holes on the court to boot.

I think Prigs would make a great mentor for Murry, if he isn't already. I get the feeling he will take it upon himself to point out what Murry should and shouldn't do in a given situation once he starts playing. I believe he would do a better job of explaining what it takes to be a PG than Woodson.

What impressed me about Murry in SL was his court vision and how fast he picked up running the point when he is normally a two. Better than Shump I have to say.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:You all know my stance...

FREE MURRY!!!

The kid can't get a feel for the pro game if they never let him play. It's not like he's ever looked bad in SL or any spot duty. He looks a bit too timid but a coach can change that with giving him a vote of confidence. That's what MDA did with Lin. Just let him know he won't be yanked after one mistake.

I thought D'Antoni wanted to cut Lin and Jordan and Grunwald sent them to Erie instead. Lin blew up with minutes there and then started getting playing time.

That's your warped view of events. What happened was that MDA had his Assistant Kenny Atkinson, who was TASKED with teaching New Knicks guards how to run MDA's system, working with Lin since day one. Lin even singled out Atkinson for his extra work with him. They felt he needed more actual game experience to get acclimated more quickly and since there weren't enough practice days and unlike Murry, Lin didn't have a training camp with MDA to have learned the system, this all made sense to get him games in the D League. I think you WANT to believe that MDA didn't want to play Lin, but it was a matter of the schedule being so tight, with games coming fast and furious and no time to actually work with Lin who came in after camp. Lin said that he was initially not happy about the D League stint, but then he realized that it really helped him get comfortable with the offense. OF course any coach who hasn't seen a player play is going to be hesitant to play him. Lin was not a focus early on because he came in late and they were pressed trying to make it work with TD.

With regard to Hill, that was just a bad set of circumstances for Hill. He did in fact come into SL out of shape and not playing well, then he didn't really hustle in Training Camp and that left a bad impression on MDA. His being traded was really up to Walsh tho. They had things they wanted to do with the cap and Hill was a victim.

What i'll say in synopsis of this view you have about MDA is that in his career MDA has been one of the top coaches to get great production out of previously unknown NBA players and scrubs. SO this idea that he's unwilling to play guys that others would is unsupported by the evidence. Even how he's doing in LA now is further proof of his ability to work with low level NBA players and journeymen. No coach has been able to get more mid level players PAID than MDA.

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Where is Shumpert suppose to get his shots in a halfcourt ISO system. Amare understands this. He played in a fast pace share the ball system

The same way THJ does, shooting off the dribble. Shump is capable of doing it, but for some reason doesn't do it often.

Because the offense doesn't allow it. When he does he gets chewed out for not passing to Melo or JR

gunsnewing wrote:No Woodson is the coach. But the powers of CA are strong over the Knicks. Why? I don't know

Melo shoots off the dribble, Beno shoots off the dribble, JR shoots off the dribble, Felton shoots off the dribble, ThJ shoots off the dribble. Hell, even Bargs shoots off the dribble at times, but Shumpert is going to get yelled at if he does it? No freaking way. I don't no why he doesn't, maybe its confidence. Whatever the reason it aint because he will get yelled at by Woodson.

gunsnewing wrote:Move the ball. Hit the open man. Push the tempo and get easy baskets. Everything doesn't have to be ISO off the dribble

Sometimes there is no open man. Some of you guys need to get it out of your heads that going one on one is always wrong, sometimes in a game its the only option against good defensive squads. Its a matter of balance. If Shump or anyone is matched up against someone he can easily take off the dribble, he should do it once in a while. You think there is too much isolation on this squad at times and you're right, but that doesn't mean it should never be done. Its part of the game. Its a matter of not relying on it too much and combining it with effective ball movement.

nixluva wrote:I think everyone does know that there are times you have to go one on one, but ISO is not the same as going one on one in the flow.

Spurs used to clear out and dump the ball to Duncan all the time in his prime, in roughly the same spot as Melo and he would do his thing. The difference being that Duncan knew not to rely on it too much. No one ever called it "bad ISO". It wasn't in the flow of the offense, they would just bring up the ball and let Duncan work.

Like I said, its a matter of balance. I read too many game threads where the second Melo posts up a defender regardless of the score, its "ISO Melo". Its part of the game and I dont want him to stop doing it altogether, just not as much.

Popovich switched to a version of MDA's offense a few years ago and it's worked great for them. Very few teams run a post offense like they used to back in the day. That style of offense calls for a post player that passes well and liberally. This isn't about Melo as much as it's about Melo, plus JR, which slants our offense too much towards a lack of ball and player movement. Also Melo having to recognize when he should pass, which is far more often than he actually does pass the ball. No to mention that his teammates aren't used to showing and getting in his sight lines. That isn't how they practice. STAT also does't pass out of post ups, so basically it's not a reliable function of this teams offense at all. Bad ISO is easy to defend and the stats prove it.