martin wrote:LOL 4 teams mentioned and only player's name shows up in tweet. What are even the vague details? Did I miss something?

True 4 other teams mentioned. MY God Iman Shumpert is the most over rated player by his own fans of all time. We cant afford to move his 8 points on 40% shooting can we?

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

scroll up and peep what he did in previous years....he's not in their plans this year. Kid has tons of talent. Same potential tag that Shump.

The Wolves could care less about what Derrick could do for another team if he can reach his potential. They don't have time for it any more and want to let him try somewhere else and get back some value....that's what we need to do with Shump

12 and 5 in 25 isn't bad, how is his D and what do you attribute to his lack of production? He might not be in mgmt's plan but it doesn't explain his production, or lack thereof. Not saying he sucks, just trying to understand what the deal is. Having trouble remembering him.

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

Nothing beats an eye test in basketball. When you watch him play, his talent is obvious. There was a time when Jermaine O'Neal was putting up paltry numbers before being traded and look what he turned into. In my opinion, Derrick Williams can have an Evan Turner like emergence if given an opportunity.

Agreed. There's no way we could get this guy for Shumpert OR THJ -- neither guy has looked good for us at all so far. For both maybe...And someone else said it -- maybe Felton as well to make the salaries work. Why would Minny do that though? I gotta believe they could fetch a better package than that, no?

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

Nothing beats an eye test in basketball. When you watch him play, his talent is obvious. There was a time when Jermaine O'Neal was putting up paltry numbers before being traded and look what he turned into. In my opinion, Derrick Williams can have an Evan Turner like emergence if given an opportunity.

Agreed. There's no way we could get this guy for Shumpert OR THJ -- neither guy has looked good for us at all so far. For both maybe...And someone else said it -- maybe Felton as well to make the salaries work.

Would appreciate it if you guys would answer what I asked Eny.

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

Nothing beats an eye test in basketball. When you watch him play, his talent is obvious. There was a time when Jermaine O'Neal was putting up paltry numbers before being traded and look what he turned into. In my opinion, Derrick Williams can have an Evan Turner like emergence if given an opportunity.

Agreed. There's no way we could get this guy for Shumpert OR THJ -- neither guy has looked good for us at all so far. For both maybe...And someone else said it -- maybe Felton as well to make the salaries work. Why would Minny do that though? I gotta believe they could fetch a better package than that, no?

One can hope though. As it stands, Minny is dealing from a position of weakness since they do not play D.Will, while Shumpert has established a niche and reputation in this league. Because of that, I think that this has legs and I hope that it happens especially from Shumpert's perspective who doesn't deserve the **** that he is getting from management.

GustavBahler wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

Nothing beats an eye test in basketball. When you watch him play, his talent is obvious. There was a time when Jermaine O'Neal was putting up paltry numbers before being traded and look what he turned into. In my opinion, Derrick Williams can have an Evan Turner like emergence if given an opportunity.

Agreed. There's no way we could get this guy for Shumpert OR THJ -- neither guy has looked good for us at all so far. For both maybe...And someone else said it -- maybe Felton as well to make the salaries work.

Would appreciate it if you guys would answer what I asked Eny.

no one wants to take a crack at this?

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

Nothing beats an eye test in basketball. When you watch him play, his talent is obvious. There was a time when Jermaine O'Neal was putting up paltry numbers before being traded and look what he turned into. In my opinion, Derrick Williams can have an Evan Turner like emergence if given an opportunity.

Agreed. There's no way we could get this guy for Shumpert OR THJ -- neither guy has looked good for us at all so far. For both maybe...And someone else said it -- maybe Felton as well to make the salaries work.

Would appreciate it if you guys would answer what I asked Eny.

Laterally speaking, I think he is lacking but still no Melo. He has exceptionally long arms and seems to understand how to play defense within his physical limitations. Because of that, I think he is a better positional defender than man defender ala Gallo. Those "limitations" might be a bit overstated though because I thought he did a solid job against Melo who only shot 38.1% that game and only got to the line 5 times that game in 44 minutes of play (Derrick played 21 minutes). Because of that length and girth, I think he's perfect for what we do defensively since he can seamlessly switch to the 4 position and spell Melo from the banging periodically. His promise though will be in his ability to score the basketball and rebound from his position. He's developed into a good shooter and had an M.O. in college for being a solid midrange player. I think his success really hinges on his ability to capitalize on this trait. If he does, we'd have ourselves a steal.

Thanks Doc, but I'm still trying to understand the dropoff in production. Why has he fallen out of favor with mgmt? It might be a red flag or a red herring.

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:LOL 4 teams mentioned and only player's name shows up in tweet. What are even the vague details? Did I miss something?

True 4 other teams mentioned. MY God Iman Shumpert is the most over rated player by his own fans of all time. We cant afford to move his 8 points on 40% shooting can we?

I agree with your sentiments exactly Briggs.

Williams makes $5M -- only contracts we could move that would even that out would be Shump/Felton or Felton/Hardaway -- maybe.

It feels like other teams with more available young assets would be able to grab Williams but maybe we could get in on some type of 3-way trade.

Just last Feb Williams had 4 games of +20 and +10 -- but he does appear to be very up/down.

Sounds a bit like Jeff Green?

smackeddog wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:LOL 4 teams mentioned and only player's name shows up in tweet. What are even the vague details? Did I miss something?

True 4 other teams mentioned. MY God Iman Shumpert is the most over rated player by his own fans of all time. We cant afford to move his 8 points on 40% shooting can we?

I agree with your sentiments exactly Briggs.

Williams makes $5M -- only contracts we could move that would even that out would be Shump/Felton or Felton/Hardaway -- maybe.

It feels like other teams with more available young assets would be able to grab Williams but maybe we could get in on some type of 3-way trade.

Just last Feb Williams had 4 games of +20 and +10 -- but he does appear to be very up/down.

Sounds a bit like Jeff Green?

Green has a higher court awareness and is better at moving without the ball but I get the comparison. D.Will figures to be a much better scorer and rebounder though.

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

Nothing beats an eye test in basketball. When you watch him play, his talent is obvious. There was a time when Jermaine O'Neal was putting up paltry numbers before being traded and look what he turned into. In my opinion, Derrick Williams can have an Evan Turner like emergence if given an opportunity.

Agreed. There's no way we could get this guy for Shumpert OR THJ -- neither guy has looked good for us at all so far. For both maybe...And someone else said it -- maybe Felton as well to make the salaries work.

Would appreciate it if you guys would answer what I asked Eny.

Laterally speaking, I think he is lacking but still no Melo. He has exceptionally long arms and seems to understand how to play defense within his physical limitations. Because of that, I think he is a better positional defender than man defender ala Gallo. Those "limitations" might be a bit overstated though because I thought he did a solid job against Melo who only shot 38.1% that game and only got to the line 5 times that game in 44 minutes of play (Derrick played 21 minutes). Because of that length and girth, I think he's perfect for what we do defensively since he can seamlessly switch to the 4 position and spell Melo from the banging periodically. His promise though will be in his ability to score the basketball and rebound from his position. He's developed into a good shooter and had an M.O. in college for being a solid midrange player. I think his success really hinges on his ability to capitalize on this trait. If he does, we'd have ourselves a steal.

Thanks Doc, but I'm still trying to understand the dropoff in production. Why has he fallen out of favor with mgmt? It might be a red flag or a red herring.

It can be but it is not necessarily something to give pause to. Sometimes, you need a flyswatter instead of a sledgehammer to get things done. Their core is established with Ricky Rubio, Kevin Love, Kevin Martin and Big Pekovic. All they need are specialists around that, which Corey Brewer (defense and backdoor threat), Chase Budinger (a floor spacer) and Dante Cunningham (energy guy with a solid jump shot) are.

If I were a GM it would be something I would definitely want to know. I know Shump isn't an all star but I don't want to trade him unless we get measurably better. Minny is playing tonite against Indy at 7, going to see if I can catch him in action. Wish we hadn't given up on Diogu, that way we could have used Shump to get better at PG instead of shoring up our frontcourt.