How many times (and be honest) that we see melo use his arm to shove players to get a little extra room, he does that all too often and while sometimes the refs don't see it, when they look at tape before the game they do.

Melo plays selfish sometimes and thats why he doesn't get calls like KD, LBJ, KOBE. when you play selfish it means you don't respect the the game or your teammates.

You watch paul G last night or any night, and he never forces the issue, he plays with in the flow of the game and thats why he's more likely to get a call then melo

knicks1248 wrote:I remember when Shaq would get hammered and never get calls, especially when he was in orlando, and that was because he would use his size and strength to just bowl over players..It wasn't until later on when he learned good foot work and post moves that he started getting favorable calls..

Taking a step back from being a Knick fan for a minute, how is that remotely fair or just? That because a player is great they should then get even more of an advantage by getting unfair foul calls whenever someone tries to defend them. It's been going on for years, and we've benefited from it in the past, but I honestly feel it's time they did away with this nonsense.

sealy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Melo doesn't get calls cause he's too aggressive. The refs look at tape just like the coaches, if your constantly looking to draw contact, your taking all the shots going 1 on 2 or 1 on 3, intiateting the contact, there not going to give you the benefit.

How many times (and be honest) that we see melo use his arm to shove players to get a little extra room, he does that all too often and while sometimes the refs don't see it, when they look at tape before the game they do.

Melo plays selfish sometimes and thats why he doesn't get calls like KD, LBJ, KOBE. when you play selfish it means you don't respect the the game or your teammates.

You watch paul G last night or any night, and he never forces the issue, he plays with in the flow of the game and thats why he's more likely to get a call then melo

Agree, but only to a point. I think what it ultimately comes down to is the art of flopping and Melo doesn't really do it.

Does he cry to the refs too much? Oh yeah, but he does not partake in the epic flops. CP3, Harden, Durant, LeBron take it to World Cup levels and if Stern was actually serious w/ stopping it, instead of fining bench guys like Reggie Evans (yeah that's cute), he'd lay a serious fine on one of these serial flopper who have actual status.

Talk about respecting the game! Look at this BS, it's a f'in disgrace to the game and fans everywhere:

lebron doesn't do that 5 and 6 times during a game, he'll get a favorable call because he plays the game the right way for the most part... The refs for the will always fault the aggressor..

Mj's blaten shove of russel in that classic moment in sports was a non call because of jordans skill set. A guy whose able to cross you over or stop on a dime and pull up for a jumper and have the defender sliding in the opposite direction will always get the benefit, cause he's done it a 1000 times without having to shove anyone aside.

blkexec wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I remember when Shaq would get hammered and never get calls, especially when he was in orlando, and that was because he would use his size and strength to just bowl over players..It wasn't until later on when he learned good foot work and post moves that he started getting favorable calls..

Yeah I've thought of that comparison to Shaq before too.

Refs do not give out fouls for bully ball players like Melo. It's just that simple. Thats why everybody else gets the calls because nobody really plays bully ball anymore. It's a finest game, with jumpers and slashers. Time for Melo to change it up a little. We need a closer than knows how to get fouls. If we had one, we would've won that game, regardless of Shumps bone head foul. Thats what I liked about Ewing. He had some finest to his low post moves, it wasn't just bully ball. Melo plays like a guy that only had 1 year of college basketball. Where bully ball works when you are physically stronger than everybody else.

sealy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Melo doesn't get calls cause he's too aggressive. The refs look at tape just like the coaches, if your constantly looking to draw contact, your taking all the shots going 1 on 2 or 1 on 3, intiateting the contact, there not going to give you the benefit.

How many times (and be honest) that we see melo use his arm to shove players to get a little extra room, he does that all too often and while sometimes the refs don't see it, when they look at tape before the game they do.

Melo plays selfish sometimes and thats why he doesn't get calls like KD, LBJ, KOBE. when you play selfish it means you don't respect the the game or your teammates.

You watch paul G last night or any night, and he never forces the issue, he plays with in the flow of the game and thats why he's more likely to get a call then melo

Agree, but only to a point. I think what it ultimately comes down to is the art of flopping and Melo doesn't really do it.

Does he cry to the refs too much? Oh yeah, but he does not partake in the epic flops. CP3, Harden, Durant, LeBron take it to World Cup levels and if Stern was actually serious w/ stopping it, instead of fining bench guys like Reggie Evans (yeah that's cute), he'd lay a serious fine on one of these serial flopper who have actual status.

Talk about respecting the game! Look at this BS, it's a f'in disgrace to the game and fans everywhere:

I think ref's should start getting fined for calling fouls when it's a flop. Might give them some incentive.

Mray20 wrote:I'm sure he got fouled here and there but this was a flop in my opinion and he's now getting calls that Durant gets as for Melo he doesn't get that same treatment and it's damn obvious

CARMELO doesn't get the same treatment because he pushes off with his off arm, all of the time, he bulldozes his way in.. refs are not going to give you the whistle when that happens, they are going to let you play unless it is blatant..

knicks1248 wrote:Melo doesn't get calls cause he's too aggressive. The refs look at tape just like the coaches, if your constantly looking to draw contact, your taking all the shots going 1 on 2 or 1 on 3, intiateting the contact, there not going to give you the benefit.

How many times (and be honest) that we see melo use his arm to shove players to get a little extra room, he does that all too often and while sometimes the refs don't see it, when they look at tape before the game they do.

Melo plays selfish sometimes and thats why he doesn't get calls like KD, LBJ, KOBE. when you play selfish it means you don't respect the the game or your teammates.

You watch paul G last night or any night, and he never forces the issue, he plays with in the flow of the game and thats why he's more likely to get a call then melo

bingo!

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

dk7th wrote:you guys are too desperate. never foul a jumpshooter and that includes touching the elbow.

Yea doesn't take much to throw your shot off when you get him on the elbow. Hence why the shot was way off line

A foul is any contact that obstructs the offensive players ability to shoot. The force of the foul is irrelevant. This seems to be the misunderstanding

Then how come Melo's last shot during regulation was not a foul? There was way more body contact on that last play with Melo's shot, than Shumps finger nail foul on George.

why, once again he is the aggressor. Imagine you pick a fight with a guy twice your size and he pounds your ass into the ground, weather you were in the wrong or right, the first thing people are going to say is what hell were you thinking taking this guy on who's twice your size in strength and height, you must have been looking for a ass whooping...and you were the aggressor..smh

why, once again? I was responding to the previous statement ("A foul is any contact that obstructs the offensive players ability to shoot")

If you read my post, I understand aggressor thing, but was challenging guns on the statement above.

I understand what you where getting at, im just adding to the fact that in the last play 3 players had converged on melo including the 7 1" hibbert, and while guns definition of a foul is correct, the refs are probably thinking, you had no shot at making that basket and you were looking for the foul as a bail out..

blkexec wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I remember when Shaq would get hammered and never get calls, especially when he was in orlando, and that was because he would use his size and strength to just bowl over players..It wasn't until later on when he learned good foot work and post moves that he started getting favorable calls..

Yeah I've thought of that comparison to Shaq before too.

Refs do not give out fouls for bully ball players like Melo. It's just that simple. Thats why everybody else gets the calls because nobody really plays bully ball anymore. It's a finest game, with jumpers and slashers. Time for Melo to change it up a little. We need a closer that knows how to get fouls. If we had one, we would've won that game, regardless of Shumps bone head foul. Also, if we had a coach that understands the weakness of his roster (defense), then you first deny George from getting that ball back, or you foul them to prevent the 3 pt shot.

Thats what I liked about Ewing as our closer. He had finest low post moves, it wasn't just bully ball. Some of his fadeaway jumpers were either called fouls with the same elbo foul shump did, or he was money. Melo plays like a guy that only had 1 year of college basketball. Where bully ball works when you are physically stronger than everybody else. So when times are hard, and you can't beat your man (aka two way defender in George), you revert back to what you know best....BULLY BALL. The league has caught up to this still....And the refs do not reward this type of play.

The end result is more loses than wins.....And more injuries for Melo...

I said that so many times.. the league has caught up and passed that style of play.. look at the shots george was taking in OT, he was gliding and rising for jumpers that the knicks had no chance of blocking.. it was nice to watch if you are a fan of the game.... I said if he can hit these shots, no one will be able to guard this kid..