nyk4ever wrote:

arkrud wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I not seduced by his pretty moves but I am seduced by the hard hat he put on when he guarded Howard and Hibbert. The man was banging and fighting his tail off and got on the boards.

He is working on his value... We must use it.
For every idiot in NBA there are 2 more bigger idiots.

yeah but the "2 more bigger idiots" always reside in our front office

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:Its very obvious that Bargs has stamina issues, fast start then falls off the face of the earth.

I don't know if he is the reason for the fall off in the 2nd half of games. It seems to me that the team has had a case of the JR Lone Wolf Blues. WHen the ball moves that gives Bargs a chance. If JR and Melo are taking ISO after ISO there's no way Bargs can get a chance. The Knicks don't play enough team ball and tend to freeze out Bargs. Then you have Woody who doesn't make sure the offense is getting the ball to one of it's most efficient scorers. That's a huge problem.

A lot of freezing out on this team, I feel Amare is being singled out by Woody and the team too. Bargs doesn't get the shots maybe it stamina or just that the Knicks have two hero ballers on the team. They got to get theirs players and Woody the Isomaster has no problems with it because he doesn't know anything else but Iso. Favorotism runs high with Woody.

bargs on bench, 105.4 drtg
bargs in game, 114.0 drtg

considering i've watched the man play for 7 years, i think i know what i'm talking about when it comes to bargnani.

don't look up tho - cause you'll see us above y'all in standings (for today at least )

nixluva wrote:All I know is Howard and Hibbert were frustrated as hell with Bargs defending them. Haven't seen that from a Knicks Center in a while. People just love to hate on Bargs cuz he's an easy target, but dude has been trying harder and he's not the Knicks problem this year.

i would love to see the knicks fail - that brings me joy. but my talk of bargs is coming from experience. unfortunately, his man 2 man defense is not the problem. it's all about optics. you see that and think good things but the #'s show he is a negative when he plays. you have to assess vs. players that can replace him on the court. last year, whenever ed davis played, he was a positive. that means regardless of who he's playing against, when he's playing, the team outscores the opponent. bargs was always a negative. same teammates but when bargs was hurt and ed davis slotted in, there was a change in everything.

the knicks would probably have better #'s if they had a pf that could rebound and defend a bit. the optics of his offensive game distracts what's really going on. no one player is to blame - my thread is talking about bargs and how you need to trade him sooner than later.

djsunyc wrote:

nixluva wrote:All I know is Howard and Hibbert were frustrated as hell with Bargs defending them. Haven't seen that from a Knicks Center in a while. People just love to hate on Bargs cuz he's an easy target, but dude has been trying harder and he's not the Knicks problem this year.

i would love to see the knicks fail - that brings me joy. but my talk of bargs is coming from experience. unfortunately, his man 2 man defense is not the problem. it's all about optics. you see that and think good things but the #'s show he is a negative when he plays. you have to assess vs. players that can replace him on the court. last year, whenever ed davis played, he was a positive. that means regardless of who he's playing against, when he's playing, the team outscores the opponent. bargs was always a negative. same teammates but when bargs was hurt and ed davis slotted in, there was a change in everything.

the knicks would probably have better #'s if they had a pf that could rebound and defend a bit. the optics of his offensive game distracts what's really going on. no one player is to blame - my thread is talking about bargs and how you need to trade him sooner than later.

Those numbers with the Craptors mean nothing to me at this point. I can only judge a player on the Knicks for how they play on the Knicks. Bargs past is just that. Right now he's been playing well for this team. Not Great but better than a LOT of other players on the roster so far this year. He's been scoring and defending and often the defensive issues are made to look worse due to Felton letting guard get a running start at the basket. When the guard does a better job defensively Bargs can get a chance to defend the basket better. He's simply not a rebounding monster, but he has been a positive presence this year.

Bargs man D has been great. No one has really gone crazy against him. That makes a difference to how the team plays D. Usually we have to give help in the post against bigs that can post. Bargs actually holds his own. I think when we get Tyson back it will give us a very good frontline.

djsunyc wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/64200/the-bargnani-effect