NYKBocker wrote:

djsunyc wrote:find a desperate team and make a deal. target #1 for the knicks should be charlotte.

yup. also add Houston. They want to move Asik badly and looks like might be willing to move Lin to move Asik as well.

let me ask this.. if you had asik and lin, honestly, what on the knicks would you want for both?

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

djsunyc wrote:find a desperate team and make a deal. target #1 for the knicks should be charlotte.

yup. also add Houston. They want to move Asik badly and looks like might be willing to move Lin to move Asik as well.

let me ask this.. if you had asik and lin, honestly, what on the knicks would you want for both?

Melo..... Howard Melo and harden? As long as Dwight doesn't see the superman super Bargnani in the playoffs that team could win it all.

RonRon wrote:
teams that will trade for Melo will only trade him at a reasonable price because of his player option, as a 1 year rental
Also, only teams that believe he is the final piece to being contenders will make a play for him
Problem is, we will get lowballed and deservingly so in any trades period, with our cap situation/lack of assets, and the way the league/GM's always does business with us that way

I don't see Philly making the same mistake they did for Bynum, they are likely trying to rebuild through draft picks, and cap space, in addition to the young core that is playing well for them

The teams that will be willing to trade for Melo, that do not fall in this category would want to give up players with longer deals such as a package of Gereld Wallace/ Courtney Lee/ Kris Humphries and maybe some picks and that is the only way I can see us being able to get a injured gamble like Rhondo

Melo in a package for Asik/Lin, Ryan Anderson, Ilyasova, thus losing the ability to sign a core of FA's in 2015, are deals that GM's, if we can develop players I would love Giannes Adeketmbo

Rhondo does not mix in with Melo, as he is ball dominant, and not a shooter so he needs 4 other shooters to spread the floor with him to be effective, however, can we still be a good rebounding/defensive team at the same time?

If Rondo does come to the Knicks and a new coach will be needed to implement a different system. The new system should not be ISO Melo dominated. It should be team based Melo will get his points by getting open and cutting to the basket and occasionally drive to the basket. Melo will also have to adjust to become an all around player and get teammates involved also.

EnySpree wrote:

Vmart wrote:

RonRon wrote:
teams that will trade for Melo will only trade him at a reasonable price because of his player option, as a 1 year rental
Also, only teams that believe he is the final piece to being contenders will make a play for him
Problem is, we will get lowballed and deservingly so in any trades period, with our cap situation/lack of assets, and the way the league/GM's always does business with us that way

I don't see Philly making the same mistake they did for Bynum, they are likely trying to rebuild through draft picks, and cap space, in addition to the young core that is playing well for them

The teams that will be willing to trade for Melo, that do not fall in this category would want to give up players with longer deals such as a package of Gereld Wallace/ Courtney Lee/ Kris Humphries and maybe some picks and that is the only way I can see us being able to get a injured gamble like Rhondo

Melo in a package for Asik/Lin, Ryan Anderson, Ilyasova, thus losing the ability to sign a core of FA's in 2015, are deals that GM's, if we can develop players I would love Giannes Adeketmbo

Rhondo does not mix in with Melo, as he is ball dominant, and not a shooter so he needs 4 other shooters to spread the floor with him to be effective, however, can we still be a good rebounding/defensive team at the same time?

If Rondo does come to the Knicks and a new coach will be needed to implement a different system. The new system should not be ISO Melo dominated. It should be team based Melo will get his points by getting open and cutting to the basket and occasionally drive to the basket. Melo will also have to adjust to become an all around player and get teammates involved also.

The whole point of getting a point guard is so they get everyone involved. That's the job of a point guard. That would be the only reason you go for Rondo. Rondo is an alpha make so that ball will go where he says is going to go. Just ask anybody on the Celtics. That's why Doc used to beg with him about. But we need that here. Melo should not be looking to make guys better. His job is to be Bernard King not Magic Johnson.

It's too bad we didn't get Melo first.

Then all the $ spent on Amare could've been spent on a PG.

Decent PG + Melo + Chandler makes a LOT more sense than Melo + Amare + Chandler

BRIGGS wrote:
Carmelo Anthony to Washington

Evan Turner Bradley Beal Otto Porter Jan Vessley to NY

Philly gets Iman Shumper and 2 Washington #1 picks 2016 and 2018

Wow Briggs I was excited about the thread until I read the proposal

That's philly and Wash future pieces.

but

we would need a 3rd team involved because we cannot match the salaries with Houston with Lin and Asik making 8m each and Melo's salary needing to be matched at about 20-24m range
We could throw other players involved including Felton, JR, or/and whoever needed while Lin would still generate a large fan base back till 2015 to retool with FA, cap space, picks, and even continue to use our 3m MLE next summer on a under rated talent like Bayless/Sessions

Also cut Woodson, as he clearly has loss the team and he just DOESN'T get it and is too stubborn to even accept/realize/adjust to his lack of creativity

Get a coach and a GM that will work together and have a PROVEN track record, so Dolan can trust them and STAY OUT of their business decisions with a HIGH salary and/or future JOB and control of the organization, like Riley has done with the Heat

We want to get the right coaches and GM's, with a team/philosophy that players respect and can attract FA's, along with PLAYER DEVELOPMENT
Poppavich doesn't seem to be fond of the media to me, something I think he would HATE in NYK but $$$$ and power can be enticing and hard to turn down with a "deal he cannot turn down", especially when he will be given the keys to choose his next coach, along with his staff, while he becomes an executive in a few years

Spur's will likely be on their last legs and it will be time to move on when Duncan, Manu, Parker are done
But I will gladly take Duncan on our team for his experience and in a limited minutes role and a future staff in 2015 as a mentor/development like Hakeem is now for Houston
Offering Duncan a 2-3 year guaranteed deal, with a "under the table deal" for him to retire in a year or 2, while giving him a high salary as our development/assistant coach and other business opportunities that Dolan can give with his business establishments and connections

Moves like this will make us a much more attractive place for ALl STARs and players to come, especially if Dolan guarantee that he will stay out of the decisions, like he did for the early part of Donnie Walsh's era

EnySpree wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

djsunyc wrote:find a desperate team and make a deal. target #1 for the knicks should be charlotte.

yup. also add Houston. They want to move Asik badly and looks like might be willing to move Lin to move Asik as well.

let me ask this.. if you had asik and lin, honestly, what on the knicks would you want for both?

Melo..... Howard Melo and harden? As long as Dwight doesn't see the superman super Bargnani in the playoffs that team could win it all.

Just me, but I rather have parsons starting at the SF. much more versatile..

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

djsunyc wrote:find a desperate team and make a deal. target #1 for the knicks should be charlotte.

yup. also add Houston. They want to move Asik badly and looks like might be willing to move Lin to move Asik as well.

let me ask this.. if you had asik and lin, honestly, what on the knicks would you want for both?

Here is a 3 way blockbuster trade...

NY Knicks
Outgoing
Carmelo Anthony
Incoming
Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Greg Smith, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 2014 CHA 2nd Rd Pick

Houston Rockets
Outgoing
Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Ronnie Brewer, Donatas Montiejunas, Greg Smith
Incoming
Al Jefferson, Cody Zeller, 2014 CHA 1st Rd Pick

Charlotte Bobcats
Outgoing
Al Jefferson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Cody Zeller, 2014 1st RD Pick, 2014 2nd RD Pick
Incoming
Carmelo Anthony, Donatas Montiejunas, Ronnie Brewer

I think this helps all teams.

Knicks - Get a boatload of talent and diff parts to build the team. We actually get 3 starters and a young backup PF.
Projected Lineup
PG-Lin
SG-Shump
SF-MKG
PF-Bargs
C-Asik
Bench - Greg Smith, MWP, Pablo, Felton, JR Smith, Aldrich, Hardaway JR, Beno

Houston - They get their PF to run with Dwight. They also get a young C in Zeller that can also play with Dwight and a very valuable 1st RD pick. They get rid of Asik. The only blemish is losing Lin but they have Beverley, Brooks and Cannan.
Projected Lineup
PG-Beverley
SG-Harden
SF-Parsons
PF-Jefferson
C-Dwight
Bench-Zeller, Garcia, Brooks, TJones, Casspi

Charlotte - They get their superstar to make their team relevant. A young stretch 4 that should play well skillset wise with Melo. Brewer is contract filler. Only costing them Jefferson, MKG, Zeller and a 1st rd pick.
Projected Lineup
PG-Kemba Walker
SG-Henderson
SF-Melo
PF-Donata Montiejunas
C-McRoberts
Bench-Biyombo, Gordon, Sessions, Tolliver, Adrien

NYKBocker wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

djsunyc wrote:find a desperate team and make a deal. target #1 for the knicks should be charlotte.

yup. also add Houston. They want to move Asik badly and looks like might be willing to move Lin to move Asik as well.

let me ask this.. if you had asik and lin, honestly, what on the knicks would you want for both?

Here is a 3 way blockbuster trade...

NY Knicks
Outgoing
Carmelo Anthony
Incoming
Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Greg Smith, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 2014 CHA 2nd Rd Pick

Houston Rockets
Outgoing
Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Ronnie Brewer, Donatas Montiejunas, Greg Smith
Incoming
Al Jefferson, Cody Zeller, 2014 CHA 1st Rd Pick

Charlotte Bobcats
Outgoing
Al Jefferson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Cody Zeller, 2014 1st RD Pick, 2014 2nd RD Pick
Incoming
Carmelo Anthony, Donatas Montiejunas, Ronnie Brewer

I think this helps all teams.

Knicks - Get a boatload of talent and diff parts to build the team. We actually get 3 starters and a young backup PF.
Projected Lineup
PG-Lin
SG-Shump
SF-MKG
PF-Bargs
C-Asik
Bench - Greg Smith, MWP, Pablo, Felton, JR Smith, Aldrich, Hardaway JR, Beno

Houston - They get their PF to run with Dwight. They also get a young C in Zeller that can also play with Dwight and a very valuable 1st RD pick. They get rid of Asik. The only blemish is losing Lin but they have Beverley, Brooks and Cannan.
Projected Lineup
PG-Beverley
SG-Harden
SF-Parsons
PF-Jefferson
C-Dwight
Bench-Zeller, Garcia, Brooks, TJones, Casspi

Charlotte - They get their superstar to make their team relevant. A young stretch 4 that should play well skillset wise with Melo. Brewer is contract filler. Only costing them Jefferson, MKG, Zeller and a 1st rd pick.
Projected Lineup
PG-Kemba Walker
SG-Henderson
SF-Melo
PF-Donata Montiejunas
C-McRoberts
Bench-Biyombo, Gordon, Sessions, Tolliver, Adrien

won't work.. last year with asik, I could see Al jefferson, but not now with dwight.. I honestly see ryan anderson in a rockets uniform, perfect fit with that team and dwight.. jefferson takes up space in the post.. Anderson doesn't..

The biggest problem I have is that you left us with bargnani at PF, any deal that does not get him off this team is a fail to me... if you move carmelo, move bargnani as well..

the rest of that lineup, I am ok with.. the back court of lin and shump is one I always wanted.... and get woodson out of here as he has messed with shump too much..

MKG at SF is a nice option going forward as I think he gives us a potential two way stud... potential..

Asik is fine at center, but we will need to address the PF situation.... Al jefferson would fit fine there but not my long term solution...

I do like the direction you are going in, but please, never again pencil bargnani in as our PF... lol