JohnStarksFan wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dude you were right on about the Knicks--I give you credit. I believed that we would be better off with Bargs from that 54 win team--but Ive been fooled by what I thought we would have compared to reality. Reality is we had a one year phenomonom based on having a bunch of older winning vets led by Jason Kidd who changed this team. I guess the first marker I shouldve seen was the resigning of JR Smith than the adding of his brother who DID not make this team by his play. Vet signings this year were similar to that of Brooklyn--guys who may have stepped over their peaks into the direction of career ending downslopes --you nailed it dude.

this is a refreshing approach... giving props to posters who have demonstrated prescience based on a good understanding of the game... and human nature. other than being a bunch of mismatched parts the knicks lack morale and leadership.

thanks for being generous and not stingy!

I second this. TKF, you deserve props, BRIGGS as well for stepping up.
No mitches in this thread!!

now what can we do to improve?
accept failure and trade what we can for asset's/picks, and most importantly, any contracts that would lower the 2015 salary

Have a coach, that coaches the right way, demanding TEAM PLAY, effort on DEFENSE, with schemes and a philosophy that works, and holds players accountable
With this new CBA, we need to be able to have quality a quality development coaches and equipment

We also want to be able to attract quality players/ All STAR's, that *with our MLE this summer, buy picks with the 3m cash we didn't use this summer, and follow through with a plan with a GM/COACH by giving Poppavich and his staff the $$$ and power/control to become the next Riley as he is now for the Heat
Also need Dolan to be able to trust his staff and STAY OUT OF THEIR JOB, just sign the checks and STFU

- What is 1 year rental of Melo worth? Which teams would pay the most for him? If he opts out, we will either lose him for NOTHING or continue to lose with him, because he just is not good enough to demand the type of salary he wants.... I am thinking somewhere between 1 1st round pick and a pair of 2nd round picks, maybe a young player or 2 quality role players

- Felton packaged with whoever, like JR and/or Pablo for a REAL PG, or player we can see us keeping beyond 2015 like Dragic or even Lin/Asik

- Iman, I like him very much and believe he will be a very good player but like Lin, he isn't utilized correctly and doesn't have the pieces around him that fits him, every other team in the NBA knows this and value him much more than we do on our roster, if we can move Felton/JR, I would love to keep Iman
But with JR and Tim Hardway here, it makes sense to move at least one of the 3....
He fit very well with Lin and even Fields (especially when Fields started and played many minutes at SF), funny how Fields was effective at SF but unable to "fit in at SG as Melo's ability to score makes everything easier for other players"

RonRon wrote:had Jeremy Lin still been a Knick, he would have not been utilized to his strengths and would have been constantly been barked and stare downs
While he would be the best player on our roster that actually improves the play and makes his team mates better
Anyone who thought Felton was better than Lin should really get a new pair of eyes, while one player has peaked and will decline, Lin has just started and will continue to improve and get better
Had we kept Lin, we could at least use his salary to add more salary like the Net's did with Wallace/Humphries, and do what we love to do in STARPHUCKING

now what can we do to improve?
accept failure and trade what we can for asset's/picks, and most importantly, any contracts that would lower the 2015 salary

Have a coach, that coaches the right way, demanding TEAM PLAY, effort on DEFENSE, with schemes and a philosophy that works, and holds players accountable
With this new CBA, we need to be able to have quality a quality development coaches and equipment

We also want to be able to attract quality players/ All STAR's, that *with our MLE this summer, buy picks with the 3m cash we didn't use this summer, and follow through with a plan with a GM/COACH by giving Poppavich and his staff the $$$ and power/control to become the next Riley as he is now for the Heat
Also need Dolan to be able to trust his staff and STAY OUT OF THEIR JOB, just sign the checks and STFU

- What is 1 year rental of Melo worth? Which teams would pay the most for him? If he opts out, we will either lose him for NOTHING or continue to lose with him, because he just is not good enough to demand the type of salary he wants.... I am thinking somewhere between 1 1st round pick and a pair of 2nd round picks, maybe a young player or 2 quality role players

- Felton packaged with whoever, like JR and/or Pablo for a REAL PG, or player we can see us keeping beyond 2015 like Dragic or even Lin/Asik

- Iman, I like him very much and believe he will be a very good player but like Lin, he isn't utilized correctly and doesn't have the pieces around him that fits him, every other team in the NBA knows this and value him much more than we do on our roster, if we can move Felton/JR, I would love to keep Iman
But with JR and Tim Hardway here, it makes sense to move at least one of the 3....
He fit very well with Lin and even Fields (especially when Fields started and played many minutes at SF), funny how Fields was effective at SF but unable to "fit in at SG as Melo's ability to score makes everything easier for other players"

Well said. This team is just plain assembled badly. They are not using the players correctly. I think it falls on Woody or is he receiving instructions from above?

I hate to say "Stick a fork in it." but when will it end?

Melo needs smart players around him. Felton and JR Smith are two of the least intelligent players in the NBA.
I just see this ending badly. Luckily we have our draft pick next year, but we know how that usually ends up. We are like a development team that teams can just take our assets for nothing.

And TKF I was with you the whole way with the Melo thing. Just bad how he came here. It can be summed up quite simple, you reap what you sow.

I really wish we had a say with getting Dolan, Mills and Woody out of here. I'm sure it is possible, just have to know how to organize.

smackeddog wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dude you were right on about the Knicks--I give you credit. I believed that we would be better off with Bargs from that 54 win team--but Ive been fooled by what I thought we would have compared to reality. Reality is we had a one year phenomonom based on having a bunch of older winning vets led by Jason Kidd who changed this team. I guess the first marker I shouldve seen was the resigning of JR Smith than the adding of his brother who DID not make this team by his play. Vet signings this year were similar to that of Brooklyn--guys who may have stepped over their peaks into the direction of career ending downslopes --you nailed it dude.

this is a refreshing approach... giving props to posters who have demonstrated prescience based on a good understanding of the game... and human nature. other than being a bunch of mismatched parts the knicks lack morale and leadership.

thanks for being generous and not stingy!

I second this. TKF, you deserve props, BRIGGS as well for stepping up.
No mitches in this thread!!

A stopped clock is right twice a day. If you keep saying the Knicks suck or keep saying they're great, eventually you're going to be right. Alas he wasted all of last season acting like it was this season.

nyvector16 wrote:Like most, I thought this year would represent real progress but that is now universally in doubt.

I think last year we did so well due to the lingering effects of D'Antoni's offense & Woodson's defensive implementations.

It is becoming apparent now that Woodson is incredibly limited offensively and his defense will not work without that offense clicking.
In the end he is primarily responsible for the weak rotations that probably cost us an extra round in the playoffs and now a terrible start to 2013.

Knicks have so many new players Woodson can't sit back and let the offense run itself with what is left of DAntoni's offensive influence.
He needs to run set plays and make smarter rotations. He seems more keen to play te political game than the analytical game the coach is supposed to excel at.

We need a new coach and most definitely a new starting PG.

knickscity wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:If Tyson was healthy I think minimally this team is at .500 and this post doesn't exist.

+ 1000

They were losing with Tyson too. They can't win at home.

Because of what's going on behind the scenes, a lot of uncertainty makes guys who are uncertain about their future in NY play erratic. Lot of pressure to play in NY when your name maybe on the list.

If you scared go to church, trade rumors are part of the business.

These guys just arent that good.

Playing in other (smaller) markets there's not much pressure to play there.

Even D.HOWARD left the bright lights big city in LA, for a smaller market in Houston after being in a small market like Orlando.
Every good player doesn't have the temperament mental toughness or intellect to play on a high profile team like the NYKNICKS

Too many fans born and raised in NY can't comprehend this.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dude you were right on about the Knicks--I give you credit. I believed that we would be better off with Bargs from that 54 win team--but Ive been fooled by what I thought we would have compared to reality. Reality is we had a one year phenomonom based on having a bunch of older winning vets led by Jason Kidd who changed this team. I guess the first marker I shouldve seen was the resigning of JR Smith than the adding of his brother who DID not make this team by his play. Vet signings this year were similar to that of Brooklyn--guys who may have stepped over their peaks into the direction of career ending downslopes --you nailed it dude.

this is a refreshing approach... giving props to posters who have demonstrated prescience based on a good understanding of the game... and human nature. other than being a bunch of mismatched parts the knicks lack morale and leadership.

thanks for being generous and not stingy!

I second this. TKF, you deserve props, BRIGGS as well for stepping up.
No mitches in this thread!!

TKF has gotten a lot of grief in the past but he has been pretty accurate about this team so far

What happened last year?? He was the same old hater he is now. I will remember this day down the road. Sure the knicks have problems and the playing stinks but when management do what they did with Chriss Smith is showed me that they was more about money. The Knicks will come back and this season they will come back. It's very easy to predict something when it's dome and gloom and the team is playing bad. I give TKF nothing. F*#k the props.

Papabear wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dude you were right on about the Knicks--I give you credit. I believed that we would be better off with Bargs from that 54 win team--but Ive been fooled by what I thought we would have compared to reality. Reality is we had a one year phenomonom based on having a bunch of older winning vets led by Jason Kidd who changed this team. I guess the first marker I shouldve seen was the resigning of JR Smith than the adding of his brother who DID not make this team by his play. Vet signings this year were similar to that of Brooklyn--guys who may have stepped over their peaks into the direction of career ending downslopes --you nailed it dude.

this is a refreshing approach... giving props to posters who have demonstrated prescience based on a good understanding of the game... and human nature. other than being a bunch of mismatched parts the knicks lack morale and leadership.

thanks for being generous and not stingy!

I second this. TKF, you deserve props, BRIGGS as well for stepping up.
No mitches in this thread!!

TKF has gotten a lot of grief in the past but he has been pretty accurate about this team so far

Papabear Says

What happened last year?? He was the same old hater he is now. I will remember this day down the road. Sure the knicks have problems and the playing stinks but when management do what they did with Chriss Smith is showed me that they was more about money. The Knicks will come back and this season they will come back. It's very easy to predict something when it's dome and gloom and the team is playing bad. I give TKF nothing. F*#k the props.

Maybe Shumpert shouldnt have said the team failed, perhaps he wouldnt be on his way out for telling the truth.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dude you were right on about the Knicks--I give you credit. I believed that we would be better off with Bargs from that 54 win team--but Ive been fooled by what I thought we would have compared to reality. Reality is we had a one year phenomonom based on having a bunch of older winning vets led by Jason Kidd who changed this team. I guess the first marker I shouldve seen was the resigning of JR Smith than the adding of his brother who DID not make this team by his play. Vet signings this year were similar to that of Brooklyn--guys who may have stepped over their peaks into the direction of career ending downslopes --you nailed it dude.

Papabear Says

Whenever someone like TKF has something to say and it's all negative and the team is doing bad you don't have to be a rocket scientist to pull something negative he said may be true because every thing he says is negative. Briggs you speak for yourself and not for this forum. TKF is what he is and that won't change a thing.

You could learn a lot from Briggs' modesty

Do you remember when Briggs and TKF got into awhile back. No modesty between either of them back then. Papa is just responding to a thread praising a guy that hasn't been able to see anything good in the Knicks since Gallo was traded.

CrushAlot wrote:I think if Stern could get Dolan out it would have happened. He had a hard time getting Isiah out despite his destroying the franchise and being found guilty of sexual harassment.

If stern won't get rid of a disgrace like the clippers owner, he ain't getting rid of Dolan