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yellowboy90
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11/15/2013  12:41 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

So far the evidence is quite revealing that this team does not play well with a Chandler Bargnani Anthony line up.

The evidence is too small. Was it just that Bargs shot was off and he is now just getting his legs. Its too early to tell. If Bargs is still shooting well and playing enough defense and rebounding decently for him then you have to try the big/small lineup again and if it doesn't work platoon Bargs minutes as the back up 5 with Tyson off the court. Tyson is not a big minute guy and neither is Bargs so finding minutes with them seperated should not be a problem. Also, if Tyson is still hitting his jumper then along with Melo and Bargs playing well then look out.

I also think you can change up Tyson role as a high PnR guy and let him be the side PnR guy and use more high horns sets. Throw in the high double screen PnR with Tyson rolling and Bargs popping high and you have another incredible triple threat play.

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11/15/2013  12:48 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

So far the evidence is quite revealing that this team does not play well with a Chandler Bargnani Anthony line up.

The evidence is too small. Was it just that Bargs shot was off and he is now just getting his legs. Its too early to tell. If Bargs is still shooting well and playing enough defense and rebounding decently for him then you have to try the big/small lineup again and if it doesn't work platoon Bargs minutes as the back up 5 with Tyson off the court. Tyson is not a big minute guy and neither is Bargs so finding minutes with them seperated should not be a problem. Also, if Tyson is still hitting his jumper then along with Melo and Bargs playing well then look out.

I also think you can change up Tyson role as a high PnR guy and let him be the side PnR guy and use more high horns sets. Throw in the high double screen PnR with Tyson rolling and Bargs popping high and you have another incredible triple threat play.


This is what happens--Bargs defender than becomes a 4 Cahndler becomes a black hole in the middle of the paint clogging the lane and anthony loses his mismatch as well. We could even use a 3 man who can rebound in the starting line up. Shumpert and JR Smith are not big enough.

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11/15/2013  1:01 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I think you move Bargs for Asik and Lin. This is the perfect move right now and helps both teams. Houston has a lot of PGs and they need a stretch 4. No brainer for them. Asik, Melo, JR, Shump, Lin lineup would be awesome.

I'd include Felton. Bargs AND Felton for Asik and Lin would be coup for the Knicks but I doubt Houston would be interested with how well Lin is now fitting in.

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11/15/2013  1:04 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

So far the evidence is quite revealing that this team does not play well with a Chandler Bargnani Anthony line up.

I think that was more about Bargnani not in his comfort zone. Now he has some rhymth and confidence. The 3 of them should be fine together. Bargnani brings more spacing then guys like Ronny Brewer ever did, which is what worked early last season. Also, Bargnani is just as good a 3pt shooter as Kidd ever was.

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11/15/2013  1:08 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I completely disagree. A team's ability to stop teams for extended stretches is key to being successful in the playoffs. That being said, Bargs is easily one of the worst defensive players I've ever seen at the 5 spot. He is a decent one on one defender but where he suffers is on rotations and closing out on defenders. The former is irrelevant however, since there are no real offensive threats at the 5, while the later is essential considering the derth of talent that can get to the rim. I say, trade Bargnani IMMEDIATELY for the most opportune deal before his trade value collapses. And truth be told, I'm gravitating toward blowing the entire thing up and begin retooling/rebuilding in a more conventional manner.

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11/15/2013  1:13 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

Tyson 29 mpg, Bargnani 19 mpg backup C and 6 mpg backup PF with Tyson on the court.
If Bargnani is C and Melo PF, we need someone 1 to 3 who can rebound very well.

Bargnani is very much a rhythm player. Once you begin stagnating his minutes, I think he becomes appreciably ineffective. Just look at last night's game. He was killing it early on and then Woodson made the mistake to leave him on the bench until the last 5 minutes in the 4th. Dude looked lost and I doubt he even scored during that stretch. If we are going to stick with Bargnani, we are going to have to figure out a way to balance he and Chandler on the court for extended stretches.

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11/15/2013  1:15 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

Tyson 29 mpg, Bargnani 19 mpg backup C and 6 mpg backup PF with Tyson on the court.
If Bargnani is C and Melo PF, we need someone 1 to 3 who can rebound very well.

You want a player who can avg 22-23 points 6-7 rebounds and blocks 1.5 shots 50% to play 19 minutes? We need his points who else is going to give them? We need JR to get back to his form quickly. My take is an upgrade at PG and a quick 4-5 combo would be bette4r suited for this team than Chandler or Felton starting.

No, 25 mpg for Bargnani. I indicated 6 mpg at backup PF.

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11/15/2013  1:16 PM
This is nice until Bargnani goes for 14pts 1reb and we fall further below .500
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11/15/2013  1:19 PM
Hopefully we're getting there. I'll settle for a 50% record by the end of the month, then see if we can build on that.
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11/15/2013  1:42 PM
gunsnewing wrote:This is nice until Bargnani goes for 14pts 1reb and we fall further below .500

people are going nuts because he is hitting shots and isn't completely terrible.. but they must remember he doesn't protect the paint at all, last night he played doorman defense with penetrators... see how dwight was erasing shots of penetrators.. that is protecting the paint.. and worst of all, bargs had just 4 boards... the dude sucks.. enough with defending this clown..

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11/15/2013  2:13 PM
gunsnewing wrote:This is nice until Bargnani goes for 14pts 1reb and we fall further below .500

Lets all be miserable and think of the worst case scenarios all year round! That way even when good things happen, we can still be miserable!

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11/15/2013  5:44 PM
Tyson is the heart and soul of this team. Hes not getting traded
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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11/15/2013  7:22 PM
tkf wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is nice until Bargnani goes for 14pts 1reb and we fall further below .500

people are going nuts because he is hitting shots and isn't completely terrible.. but they must remember he doesn't protect the paint at all, last night he played doorman defense with penetrators... see how dwight was erasing shots of penetrators.. that is protecting the paint.. and worst of all, bargs had just 4 boards... the dude sucks.. enough with defending this clown..

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11/15/2013  7:42 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Bargnani is playing very well. Because of this we will stay afloat until Tyson gets back. If he continues playing well then he increases his value as a trade piece. We shall see. Last nights loss is the kind of loss a good team can have at any point. It just feels a lot worse because of how we've started the season overall.

Our glaring issue is at PG...again. Felton just isn't right. Praying that somehow a guy like Rondo or Dragic falls into our lap.

We need a young PF and a unpgrade at PG. If Bargs continues like this--Id rather trade Chandler and Shumpert to get what I need. Kenyon can help but he isnt the answer for 30 minutes. Knicks should just buyout Amare and save 4-5mm$

I think Toronto concluded Bargnani was played out of position at center. I still think he and Melo can play together at the forward spots because of their offensive games. If the knicks are content with JR Smith at SG i think you have to look to trade Shumpert for a PG, lets say somehow for Rondo or Dragic.

Chandler, Bargnani, Melo, Smith, and a new PG with Hardaway being groomed as 6th man is the right direction.

Bargnani and Tyson doesn't work well. The reason Melo and Bargs are both playing better now is because the spacing has been much better. If we can put the defense together and get some solid PG play we actually have a chance to be very good with Bargnani subbing in for Tyson. And it will help limit Tyson's minutes.

So far the evidence is quite revealing that this team does not play well with a Chandler Bargnani Anthony line up.

The evidence also reveals that the Knicks don't win at home.

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