misterearl wrote:Too much individual play.

Too much dribbling.

Not enough movement.

Painful to watch.

i thought you were high on this team like 2 days.

Cartman718 wrote:
i thought you were high on this team like 2 days.

Cartman - we need better passing.

Better boxing out.

Better cohesiveness.

How on earth was Grunwald demoted and Steve Mills bought back? I can't imagine a better job done with what he has to work with. Mills ran the show with Isiah. LBJ, KD, and CP3, Duncan, Parker, Wade, were not coming here so fast. Trading a first round pick for Bargiani was a mistake. You don't trade a number 1 for a player of Andrea's caliber. I think we learn a decade long lesson and keep our first round picks.

In hindsight we probably should have amnestied Amare. Easy to say now, not when he was MVP caliber for half a season. I think losing Lin was on Dolan. I would have liked to see a Lin, Shumpert back court. Lin's deal would have expired next year along with Amare and Melo. 1 billion for Garden renovations, no luxury tax $ for Lin?

After watching a little preseason, I figured we might win 45 games this season. After watching maybe 30 minutes this season, my interest in the team has completely waned. Besides Shumpert, there is not a single player I like or can root for. My allegiance is to the Pat Riley, Van Gundy days. I can tell how selfish we are after watching 2 minutes, never mind 30. With every man playing for himself we will be lucky to scratch 40 wins. We are the polar opposite of the Spurs. Perhaps the Spurs would be a worthy League Pass investment, or college basketball.

Melo has to want to change. Do rather than say. Colossal mistake if we bring him back for 20+ million a year. Let him walk. He is not a number 1 and will never be a number 1. Pass the damn ball and stop with personal demonstrations ("ya know me, keeping it gangsta" swag)! I agree with you on Felton. He is a backup pg. Also, bringing back JR was questionable. He is a six man who put his social life first before the playoffs. In addition we sign his brother, who I hear has no place on the team over much more deserving basketball players. I see no wrong in drafting some young guys in addition to low risk veterans (contracts) and building a TEAM.

Eventually the team will tune Woody out along with the next coach or assistant who replaces him. This was my feeling long before Woody and MDA coached here simply because the pattern was consistent with the previous coaches. The one constant is the cycle will repeat. We will not evolve until we change the culture. Zero MSG NYK game attendance?

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:fishmike - excellent point. Felton is a shoot-first guard. When Shump is leading the lineup in assists, something is off. Perhaps Shump was weary of the trade talk and decided to make a point. These are people with feelings.

The Answer Man is not feeling it. When that happens, it is rare.

It's just off.

and everytime he shoots I cringe. Woody has also lost his touch. He's officially joined the ranks of Larry, Lenny, Don, Mike and any other coach who once started with a voice and ended up beaten by the environment that is MSG

misterearl wrote:Too much individual play.

Too much dribbling.

Not enough movement.

Painful to watch.

We need a real PG. We had one, we let him go. Now we suffer the consequences...

Seriously, we are just reaping the rewards of our actions. And "our" is pretty much management.

Bringing in Mills, again. Just a recipe for failure.

Let's face it, they don'T want to win. We had Lin and now we are going through the same problems as before we had him - LOSING.

I give up on management. I'll watch the games but a team with Felton as the starting PG and JR Smith (low IQ ISO player) as a starter and Melo (Great med IQ scorer).
We need great players around Melo and mostly a smart pg that can take control. That is why they got rid of Lin.

Andrew wrote:

misterearl wrote:Too much individual play.

Too much dribbling.

Not enough movement.

Painful to watch.

+1. Painful to watch. Tough to root for.

YEP

misterearl wrote:
The Answer Man Stopped Getting High In College

Cartman718 wrote:
i thought you were high on this team like 2 days.

Cartman - we need better passing.

Better boxing out.

Better cohesiveness.

JesseDark wrote:

misterearl wrote:Too much individual play.

Too much dribbling.

Not enough movement.

Painful to watch.

I agree about the lack of ball movement. I see Bargiani as big part of the problem. He only looks to shoot and doesn't do anything else relly well. I'd like to see him develop some chemistry with his other team mates. He could fake his shoot and pass to player cutting to the rim every now and then.

meloanyk wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

misterearl wrote:Too much individual play.

Too much dribbling.

Not enough movement.

Painful to watch.

I agree about the lack of ball movement. I see Bargiani as big part of the problem. He only looks to shoot and doesn't do anything else relly well. I'd like to see him develop some chemistry with his other team mates. He could fake his shoot and pass to player cutting to the rim every now and then.

Bargani is coming into his own since playing the five. Just like Melo, certain players operate best from different spots. Defensively, he is ok m2m especially near paint but still lacks as help defender ouside of it. I like Chandler but I sometimes wonder if Knicks could have the best of both worlds ( Baragani's O capabilty and Chandler D's )if they could move Chandler for a well rounded pf. Many still lament given up the draft picks but Novak and Copeland get DNP's and Bargani while flawed is much better than either

how is that relevant? what should it matter what novak and copeland do on another team.. we gave up too much for Bargnani period... we lament the picks given up not because we thought copeland and novak were great, but because bargnani didn't fill any needs and was not worth it..

earthmansurfer wrote:

misterearl wrote:Too much individual play.

Too much dribbling.

Not enough movement.

Painful to watch.

We need a real PG. We had one, we let him go. Now we suffer the consequences...

Seriously, we are just reaping the rewards of our actions. And "our" is pretty much management.

Bringing in Mills, again. Just a recipe for failure.

Let's face it, they don'T want to win. We had Lin and now we are going through the same problems as before we had him - LOSING.

I give up on management. I'll watch the games but a team with Felton as the starting PG and JR Smith (low IQ ISO player) as a starter and Melo (Great med IQ scorer).
We need great players around Melo and mostly a smart pg that can take control. That is why they got rid of Lin.

tkf wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

misterearl wrote:Too much individual play.

Too much dribbling.

Not enough movement.

Painful to watch.

I agree about the lack of ball movement. I see Bargiani as big part of the problem. He only looks to shoot and doesn't do anything else relly well. I'd like to see him develop some chemistry with his other team mates. He could fake his shoot and pass to player cutting to the rim every now and then.

Bargani is coming into his own since playing the five. Just like Melo, certain players operate best from different spots. Defensively, he is ok m2m especially near paint but still lacks as help defender ouside of it. I like Chandler but I sometimes wonder if Knicks could have the best of both worlds ( Baragani's O capabilty and Chandler D's )if they could move Chandler for a well rounded pf. Many still lament given up the draft picks but Novak and Copeland get DNP's and Bargani while flawed is much better than either

how is that relevant? what should it matter what novak and copeland do on another team.. we gave up too much for Bargnani period... we lament the picks given up not because we thought copeland and novak were great, but because bargnani didn't fill any needs and was not worth it..

tkf wrote:
Can't start murry, I would still go with felton unfortunately until we can do better

THJ, Im good with that, but put him at SF

Shumpert at SG

Bargnani can jump in the Hudson, are you kidding me with this damn bum?

Chandler, I can roll with him..

As you can see, we have holes, a lot of them, but they can be filled on the cheap.....

of course you cannot start Murry. Felton would sulk and Pablo would think, "what da hell...?" But Toure is 6'4 and would push the tempo to get the offense into its (cough) sets quicker. We must stop holding the ball.

If not, put Shump at the point. Sink or swim. His 7 assists two nights ago were a nice look.

Revised 2015 Shiftline to Smile About and Have Positive Feelings

G - Shumpert
G - Hardaway
F - Klay Thompson clone
F - Melo
C - Bargnani