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JohnStarksFan
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11/13/2013  12:00 AM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm a Knicks die hard fan. I will call them out when I see things are wrong. I never waver being a fan. I love going to the games. I can see that we have problems this season and hope we work them out.If we do or don't it won't make me love the team less. I hope we win in Atlanta. I think we will. We should never give up hope. Keep hope alive.

+1000 to you Papabear. Much respect.

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11/13/2013  12:06 AM
arkrud wrote:Good Fan (homer):
1. Never criticized players, coaches, management
2. Always buying season tickets.
3. Wearing team gear and colors.
4. Always makes excuses for the team (injuries, bad schedule, officiating, conspiracy)
5. Treated team stars as goods and the owner as a farther.
Bad Fan (Troll):
1. Pointed out team issues, weaknesses.
2. Asking to get read of players, coaches, sell the team.
3. Called homer-fans homers.
4. Analyzing everything about the team.
5. Proposing trades, signings, picks, etc.
Arkrud (send-closk):
1. Don't give a f..ck...

Thanks for the list... I think. I'm not calling anyone a "good" or "bad" fan, just trying to bring light to the ridiculous musings of some us who talk about garbage that only matters to a few mitches and not to the collective fan base, be they your homers, or your trolls, or just Knicks fans and followers.

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11/13/2013  11:52 AM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
arkrud wrote:Good Fan (homer):
1. Never criticized players, coaches, management
2. Always buying season tickets.
3. Wearing team gear and colors.
4. Always makes excuses for the team (injuries, bad schedule, officiating, conspiracy)
5. Treated team stars as goods and the owner as a farther.
Bad Fan (Troll):
1. Pointed out team issues, weaknesses.
2. Asking to get read of players, coaches, sell the team.
3. Called homer-fans homers.
4. Analyzing everything about the team.
5. Proposing trades, signings, picks, etc.
Arkrud (send-closk):
1. Don't give a f..ck...

Thanks for the list... I think. I'm not calling anyone a "good" or "bad" fan, just trying to bring light to the ridiculous musings of some us who talk about garbage that only matters to a few mitches and not to the collective fan base, be they your homers, or your trolls, or just Knicks fans and followers.

I think it is fun that we are all different and want different things with our team.
So we can argue and so get closer to the truth.
Personally I am not so cornered on the chip or bashing the team when it sucks.
I want to see good game when we compete and players are leaving its all on the court.
I want to see good honest people around the team I can relate too... and sadly there are less and less of it.
I stopped following the team from 2002 to 2008 because it was waste of time and emotions.
And now it is very close to be the case again.
We can talk all we want but this will not change a thing.
A lot of fans want things to be really-really bad to force the change like after Isiah fiasco.
This should be understood.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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11/13/2013  1:03 PM
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Good post. I love a good "Im freaking out of here rant"! Im not knocking it, I actually agree with much of it. The only part is "the mecca" thing.

The Mecca is In Boston or In LakerLand for the NBA. For college, the days when the NIT ruled is long gone. When the NIT meant someting is when this was a Mecca. The Mecca is in North Carolina where NC State, Duke and UNC collide and Wake Forest is just down the road a bit..... Or in Kentucky where it moves from Louisville to Lexington......Or IN Indiana where there are many excellent teams..........

Between to dominance of UCLA and the Lakers thru the decades one might say L.A. could have it?

Well, I guess it is the self-proclaimed Mecca, you're right there. I bet there are more NBA followers here than anywhere else, more dreaming kids than anywhere else, and back in the day the garden was the brightest lights for guys from every team. This was and is the place where the game becomes more of a show than a game more often than not, even if that sucks for us fanatics.

And even still, the immortals from MJ to Kobe to LeQ still talk about the size of the stage, and it's impact on the game. LA can keep Jack and Diane.
What other arena was important enough for the commissioner to step in personally and clean up the all the sh-IT?

We talkin bout Indiana? Indiana?

Yes, Indiana.

The size of the stage don't mean the show is any good. "Mecca" to me is where the standard of excellence is achieved.

How many National Championships have been played in NYC in the last half century? How many teams hail from NYC that have won national championships? How many Pro Teams from NYC won championships?

So what defines the city as "The Mecca"? Defend the city as such? Make the arguement or use someone elses. Why is NYC the Mecca?

Where did the game originate? What does Mecca mean? It's where you return to, where you know you need to go to pay homage to the basketball Gods of the City game. What City? Are we talking about the fabulous metropolis of Bloomington, Indiana, for the love of sheeit???

What the fuhuck is Broadway for?

Mecca of Basketball, the history, the playgrounds, the stories. Is there a Ruckers in your garshdarn Hoosierville? I mean one that anyone other than you knows about? That NBA quality gravitated to every summer? Is the mostly pasty white history of Duke versus NC suddenly now the Mecca of your mind? Kentucky??? Seriously? Weren't they effing banned awhile back? Meccas don't get banned, they get bailed out by commissioners.

You are a history buff Nalod. You know what Mecca means. Mecca is bestowed and set in stone. The earth may continue to spin, and the NIT may be a little league forum now, but Mecca doesn't relocate on the whims of popular opinion and the purist sense that "the show" follows the chips.

The game may have been invented by a Canuck deep in the heart of Celtic land (which, by the way was originally an NYC team, right?) but the game has always belonged to the biggest city with the biggest stage.

Meccas aren't a matter of opinion.

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11/13/2013  2:04 PM
Giving a f$ck List, revisited:

Knicks Fan (homer):
1. criticizes players, coaches, management as easily as he criticizes himself and his own stupid opinions
2. Normally can't affort season tickets.
3. Wears team gear and colors, stops short of face painting and foam fingers. (Boo!, Nalod!)
4. Doesn't care about excuses for the team (injuries, bad schedule, officiating, conspiracy), cares about winning
5. Is always happy when the team actually has any stars on it and has little or no connection to the owner as anything but an owner. Cares about the owner like he cares about the CEO of the corporation he might work for.
6. Occassionaly thinks we should win every game. Always does so when drunk.
7. Would rather fight than switch.
8. Fandom is rather presuppositional.

Basketball Afficionado, Subject Matter Expert, NBA fan, Financial Supergenius (Somber/Troll):
1. Points out team issues, weaknesses in every post, at least three times per thread. Cannot necessarily think that these points might be biased, off-base or just plain wrong. Takes any rejection of theories, opinions, skewed worldview as a personal attack by a paid MSG miscreant.
2. Asks rhetorical questions validating their own opinion and hargangues anyone incessantly who doesn't agree.
3. Calls anyone who doesn't agree with them homers/minions/women.
4. Over-analyzes everything about the team, players and management to the point of circular reasoning and 40 posts per thread.
5. Will +1 anyone who's not clearly identified as a homer. Would rather amputate own limb with a dull deer antler than be viewed as a homer.
6. Proposing trades, signings, picks, etc that will never happen, and constantly bemoans those that have happened. For years on end.
7. Would rather beeyatch and switch. Or at least talk up the benefits of switching.
8. Fandom is something to be earned, based on personally required outcomes. That are viewed as common sense.

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11/13/2013  4:34 PM
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11/13/2013  4:40 PM
jrodmc wrote:Giving a f$ck List, revisited:

Knicks Fan (homer):
1. criticizes players, coaches, management as easily as he criticizes himself and his own stupid opinions
2. Normally can't affort season tickets.
3. Wears team gear and colors, stops short of face painting and foam fingers. (Boo!, Nalod!)
4. Doesn't care about excuses for the team (injuries, bad schedule, officiating, conspiracy), cares about winning
5. Is always happy when the team actually has any stars on it and has little or no connection to the owner as anything but an owner. Cares about the owner like he cares about the CEO of the corporation he might work for.
6. Occassionaly thinks we should win every game. Always does so when drunk.
7. Would rather fight than switch.
8. Fandom is rather presuppositional.

Basketball Afficionado, Subject Matter Expert, NBA fan, Financial Supergenius (Somber/Troll):
1. Points out team issues, weaknesses in every post, at least three times per thread. Cannot necessarily think that these points might be biased, off-base or just plain wrong. Takes any rejection of theories, opinions, skewed worldview as a personal attack by a paid MSG miscreant.
2. Asks rhetorical questions validating their own opinion and hargangues anyone incessantly who doesn't agree.
3. Calls anyone who doesn't agree with them homers/minions/women.
4. Over-analyzes everything about the team, players and management to the point of circular reasoning and 40 posts per thread.
5. Will +1 anyone who's not clearly identified as a homer. Would rather amputate own limb with a dull deer antler than be viewed as a homer.
6. Proposing trades, signings, picks, etc that will never happen, and constantly bemoans those that have happened. For years on end.
7. Would rather beeyatch and switch. Or at least talk up the benefits of switching.
8. Fandom is something to be earned, based on personally required outcomes. That are viewed as common sense.

Although I am a solid NBA fan and a bit of an aficionado, I'd rather be a homer based on this. Especially the trade proposing and signing thing on the list. It's cool to care and think about legit signings, but trades you think up never happen... ever. I wish no one would ever make one up again.

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11/14/2013  4:55 PM
I'm just bumping this back up to the top so some mitches who have been busy get a chance to see it.
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11/25/2013  3:35 PM
Their numbers are increasing.

Is there a cool slang term for frontrunners?

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11/25/2013  3:56 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:I took some time off from this forum during the postseason and offseason and didn't really start reading until the past couple days. I'm contemplating not coming back. Here are the reasons why:

1. Pontificating on the relationships between the players, coaches, staff, and owner. - Why the hell do you guys start going off on tangents about the relationships between these guys? It's like some of you are sitting around imagining the Knicks as the Real Housewives of MSG, instead of focusing on what they are doing on the court. We will NEVER know what these guys talk about and decide outside the MSG offices, and we only get a tiny birds-eye view of what goes on in the practices and in the locker room. The next time you start a post talking about a relationship, call yourself a mitch, calm the hell down, and set your DVR to record a game, so the next time you feel like telling us that Melo gets his ass sucked by Dolan, you can rewatch a game and analyze some game play. Hell, even watch the bench the whole game to see how they react and comment on that, since that is actually important to the game.

2. Whining. - Seriously, some of you are here just to complain. We win, you're silent, we lose, you show up to throw it in everyone's face. I realize this is something that occurred when you were watching the Knicks suck for a decade and you lost your positivity, but still. Come on. That's mitch material. I have to imagine these same contributors keeping their mouth closed when their wife makes a truly excellent sandwich, then complaining when the crust is burnt on an apple pie. Only a mitch steps away from a divorce would do that. Advice to those mitches, stop being an NBA "fan", or close shop here, and silently head to a Heat forum for life. At least that way you will learn to be a positive fan, start complementing your wife, and stop being a Knicks mitch. It could save your marriage, and would save this forum's watchers from a lot of needless trollful typing.

3. Talking about the fans. - In every heated debate, inevitably by page 4, the subject of the cost of the tickets and the "fans" comes up. I went to a number of games last season, and here's what you need to know about this. NY has the highest population in the country. As well, thanks to Long Island, Connecticut, Wall Street, and the Upper East Side, it also has one of the highest populations of "I have so much money because I inherited it or it's all I think about" douchebags in the country. Combine that population with the Mecca of professional basketball, and you have a garden filled to the brim every game, regardless of the record. This is also a city of schemers and quick-buck wannabes who buy the season tickets knowing damn well that even if the Knicks fall off, the garden is within a half-mile/10 minute subway ride radius of almost every one of the millions of tourists who come here to NYC from around the world who take a picture with their BFF with their back to the knicks logo at midcourt, facebook, tweet, instagram, and web-f**k the hell out of that photo, and their friends and relatives love them a little more for it and are envious, regardless of what the team is doing. Those people buy tickets and fill seats... A LOT of them.. regardless of record, more when the tickets are cheaper because they are losing. Bottom line, the garden will sell out regardless. Your mitch musings on this are falling on deaf ears.

We, the Knicks faithful, are such a small minority of Knicks "fans" - we need to come to terms with this and stop worrying about what the other 98% of Knicks fans think about the team. Why? Because none of them know Tyson's salary, or that the Knicks don't have a draft pick next year, or dick about the salary cap or CBA, or that Mills is the new president. What do they know? Melo is awesome, the Nets look awesome, not sure I like those orange jerseys, Knicks fans hate Dolan so I do too, if I get a chance to go to a game this year I'm going. That's it. Read that back to yourself if you need some more self-realization. You know this in your heart, because you tried to jump into a conversation at work, mentioned Pablo's ability to steal the ball after a made basket and how it impacts close games, and their eyes glossed over and they looked at you a second too long before saying "Yea, true." When you walked away feeling better about yourself in that exchange, everyone else thought you were a mitch. Here, you're free to share those musings and we will happily reply and encourage you. Don't ruin it being a forum mitch, ok?

Why do I go through the trouble, knowing full well that the same mitches I'm complaining about are going to troll this post with snarky comments and wise-ass cracks at me personally, not knowing anything about my motives or... well... me? (Which brings up another mitch move, personal attacks on each other. - Come on mitches, get along.) Because if you are a faithful like me (FAITH - FULL - even when being rational feels better), do us all a favor and when you see a mitch being a mitch for one of the above reasons, call him out, or better yet, don't say anything at all. Just pretend it didn't happen. These mitches are just asking for our replies, same way the cats call each out on Real Housewives of Orange County, same way these mitches ask for their wives to call them a'holes everyday by doing a'hole things. Leave them alone, and maybe, just maybe, this forum will get better. I'm hoping we can do it, but we need your help.

Knicks fan for life. It's all I know.


John--how many times have the SA Spurs changed GM's in the last 10 years? How many GM's have the Heat had? How many 20 win seasons. No one cares about the personal life of any Knick--I dont see anyone posting anything about that here--can you show me personal thread like that? My bet I'm as big a Knick fan as there is on the planet. No I don't make my girlfriend scream the Knicks name during intercourse--but I love the Knicks. But this organization is run pirse poor and it has shown in bottom line results. Dom you think Knick fans have enjoyed going to games this year? My bet--ah no. The Knicks have the worst all time % of wins per dollars spent in any sport of any kind in the last 12 years--thats 12 years. Weve spent over a billion $ in salary for one 50 win team that broke down before the finish line. Anytime the Mets Yankees Knicks Rangers Jets and Gianmts have been good-great--the team has been built through the draft--its an absolute fact--there is no dispute. So why dont we want to follow positive history--becuase w e have an owner who pays people to post messages just like yours---real fans know the deal--it's a great team franchise run by a smallish self centered man who knows nothing about basketball yet has his hands on the decisions---thats all the story there.

RIP Crushalot😞
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11/25/2013  3:57 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Giving a f$ck List, revisited:

Knicks Fan (homer):
1. criticizes players, coaches, management as easily as he criticizes himself and his own stupid opinions
2. Normally can't affort season tickets.
3. Wears team gear and colors, stops short of face painting and foam fingers. (Boo!, Nalod!)
4. Doesn't care about excuses for the team (injuries, bad schedule, officiating, conspiracy), cares about winning
5. Is always happy when the team actually has any stars on it and has little or no connection to the owner as anything but an owner. Cares about the owner like he cares about the CEO of the corporation he might work for.
6. Occassionaly thinks we should win every game. Always does so when drunk.
7. Would rather fight than switch.
8. Fandom is rather presuppositional.

Basketball Afficionado, Subject Matter Expert, NBA fan, Financial Supergenius (Somber/Troll):
1. Points out team issues, weaknesses in every post, at least three times per thread. Cannot necessarily think that these points might be biased, off-base or just plain wrong. Takes any rejection of theories, opinions, skewed worldview as a personal attack by a paid MSG miscreant.
2. Asks rhetorical questions validating their own opinion and hargangues anyone incessantly who doesn't agree.
3. Calls anyone who doesn't agree with them homers/minions/women.
4. Over-analyzes everything about the team, players and management to the point of circular reasoning and 40 posts per thread.
5. Will +1 anyone who's not clearly identified as a homer. Would rather amputate own limb with a dull deer antler than be viewed as a homer.
6. Proposing trades, signings, picks, etc that will never happen, and constantly bemoans those that have happened. For years on end.
7. Would rather beeyatch and switch. Or at least talk up the benefits of switching.
8. Fandom is something to be earned, based on personally required outcomes. That are viewed as common sense.

Although I am a solid NBA fan and a bit of an aficionado, I'd rather be a homer based on this. Especially the trade proposing and signing thing on the list. It's cool to care and think about legit signings, but trades you think up never happen... ever. I wish no one would ever make one up again.


I'd rather be a homer based on that too. The list has no basis in reality though.
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11/25/2013  4:17 PM
What an obnoxious post. I think each individual has their own right to be whatever fan they want to be. Check it at the door my friend. Ive been posting here for well over a decade--in many respect this is a community as much as its a Knick forum. People who post here for the most part are quite knowledgeable about basketball and what is going on with the Knicks. For one of the posts here to imply that posters here cannot afford tickets in an absurdity and irrelevant. The Knicks stink because they are not managed well--we know the teams that are and we know the teams that are not.
RIP Crushalot😞
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11/25/2013  4:18 PM
^Amen
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11/25/2013  4:29 PM
BRIGGS wrote:What an obnoxious post. I think each individual has their own right to be whatever fan they want to be. Check it at the door my friend. Ive been posting here for well over a decade--in many respect this is a community as much as its a Knick forum. People who post here for the most part are quite knowledgeable about basketball and what is going on with the Knicks. For one of the posts here to imply that posters here cannot afford tickets in an absurdity and irrelevant. The Knicks stink because they are not managed well--we know the teams that are and we know the teams that are not.

Way to go Briggs!

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11/25/2013  5:06 PM
Honestly, nothing more annoying than patronizing self-important posts "i'm a true fan, the rest of you are not', especially with childish name calling about entire parts of the TriState area because of money.
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11/26/2013  9:49 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Giving a f$ck List, revisited:

Knicks Fan (homer):
1. criticizes players, coaches, management as easily as he criticizes himself and his own stupid opinions
2. Normally can't affort season tickets.
3. Wears team gear and colors, stops short of face painting and foam fingers. (Boo!, Nalod!)
4. Doesn't care about excuses for the team (injuries, bad schedule, officiating, conspiracy), cares about winning
5. Is always happy when the team actually has any stars on it and has little or no connection to the owner as anything but an owner. Cares about the owner like he cares about the CEO of the corporation he might work for.
6. Occassionaly thinks we should win every game. Always does so when drunk.
7. Would rather fight than switch.
8. Fandom is rather presuppositional.

Basketball Afficionado, Subject Matter Expert, NBA fan, Financial Supergenius (Somber/Troll):
1. Points out team issues, weaknesses in every post, at least three times per thread. Cannot necessarily think that these points might be biased, off-base or just plain wrong. Takes any rejection of theories, opinions, skewed worldview as a personal attack by a paid MSG miscreant.
2. Asks rhetorical questions validating their own opinion and hargangues anyone incessantly who doesn't agree.
3. Calls anyone who doesn't agree with them homers/minions/women.
4. Over-analyzes everything about the team, players and management to the point of circular reasoning and 40 posts per thread.
5. Will +1 anyone who's not clearly identified as a homer. Would rather amputate own limb with a dull deer antler than be viewed as a homer.
6. Proposing trades, signings, picks, etc that will never happen, and constantly bemoans those that have happened. For years on end.
7. Would rather beeyatch and switch. Or at least talk up the benefits of switching.
8. Fandom is something to be earned, based on personally required outcomes. That are viewed as common sense.

Although I am a solid NBA fan and a bit of an aficionado, I'd rather be a homer based on this. Especially the trade proposing and signing thing on the list. It's cool to care and think about legit signings, but trades you think up never happen... ever. I wish no one would ever make one up again.


I'd rather be a homer based on that too. The list has no basis in reality though.

And you say this after you actually read the whole list? Really?
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11/26/2013  9:54 AM
BRIGGS wrote:What an obnoxious post. I think each individual has their own right to be whatever fan they want to be. Check it at the door my friend. Ive been posting here for well over a decade--in many respect this is a community as much as its a Knick forum. People who post here for the most part are quite knowledgeable about basketball and what is going on with the Knicks. For one of the posts here to imply that posters here cannot afford tickets in an absurdity and irrelevant. The Knicks stink because they are not managed well--we know the teams that are and we know the teams that are not.

Great obnoxious post by the newest poster child Mitch:
1) leads by telling over-controlling posters who express an opinion that they shouldn't express that opinion.
2) tells you how long they've been posting here.
3) touts knowledge base
4) not affording tickets was a cut at the "I'm not going to support this Dolanized BS anymore!!!" flavor of whining.
5) ends by pointing out other teams that are better.

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11/26/2013  9:55 AM
Knicks22 wrote:Honestly, nothing more annoying than patronizing self-important posts "i'm a true fan, the rest of you are not', especially with childish name calling about entire parts of the TriState area because of money.

Almost as annoying as whining and frontrunning. But not quite.

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