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Moonangie
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11/10/2013  6:32 PM
holfresh wrote:There are way too many distractions on this team...We have to get Bargs going, limit Amare and KMart...Get JR going..Chandler going down really hurt because we could return to last years line up as a last resort...Then work Bargs in as the season goes on...So many guys trying to get some run...I'm still not ready to panic yet...I think Woodson just needs to simplify things...Bury a few guys on the bench until we show signs of a group that is cohesive and is playing hard...Cut Bargs minutes and bury Amare for a few weeks...1 reb from Bargs in 26 mins won't cut it...

I think its hard to start games with low energy/slow guys...We are overrating Shump too...He isn't ready to step up yet...I still like the idea of Melo laying back and letting the game come to him and others...Woodson have to start looking at guys who bring energy to the game...Most of our problems are effort..

In a nutshell.
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11/10/2013  6:43 PM
Papabear wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

or maybe they are just scared playa.. as you said yourself, when teams bring it, certain players can't handle it.. LOL

I gotta tell you, I have never met even a non-Knicks fan that enjoys seeing our team lose and players play bad more than you lol.

Papabear Says

He is not a knicks fan. TKF said he was leaving the Knicks as a fan. I can't wait! Hope he does it today.

Does the team play better if TKF leaves? thats really all I care about.
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11/10/2013  6:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2013  7:00 PM
This is not directly related to this Knicks game, But it is something I have learned after game 6 and I would like to share ,NSFW
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/10/man-nails-testicles-red-square_n_4250355.html

The state of our Knicks is kind of sad right now, but hey, at least our balls are intact !!!

Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
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11/10/2013  6:57 PM
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

or maybe they are just scared playa.. as you said yourself, when teams bring it, certain players can't handle it.. LOL

I gotta tell you, I have never met even a non-Knicks fan that enjoys seeing our team lose and players play bad more than you lol.

Papabear Says

He is not a knicks fan. TKF said he was leaving the Knicks as a fan. I can't wait! Hope he does it today.

Does the team play better if TKF leaves? thats really all I care about.


Papabear Says

Probably So.

Papabear
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11/10/2013  10:21 PM
Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:There are way too many distractions on this team...We have to get Bargs going, limit Amare and KMart...Get JR going..Chandler going down really hurt because we could return to last years line up as a last resort...Then work Bargs in as the season goes on...So many guys trying to get some run...I'm still not ready to panic yet...I think Woodson just needs to simplify things...Bury a few guys on the bench until we show signs of a group that is cohesive and is playing hard...Cut Bargs minutes and bury Amare for a few weeks...1 reb from Bargs in 26 mins won't cut it...

I think its hard to start games with low energy/slow guys...We are overrating Shump too...He isn't ready to step up yet...I still like the idea of Melo laying back and letting the game come to him and others...Woodson have to start looking at guys who bring energy to the game...Most of our problems are effort..

In a nutshell.


Which brings you back to the coach.
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11/10/2013  10:44 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:There are way too many distractions on this team...We have to get Bargs going, limit Amare and KMart...Get JR going..Chandler going down really hurt because we could return to last years line up as a last resort...Then work Bargs in as the season goes on...So many guys trying to get some run...I'm still not ready to panic yet...I think Woodson just needs to simplify things...Bury a few guys on the bench until we show signs of a group that is cohesive and is playing hard...Cut Bargs minutes and bury Amare for a few weeks...1 reb from Bargs in 26 mins won't cut it...

I think its hard to start games with low energy/slow guys...We are overrating Shump too...He isn't ready to step up yet...I still like the idea of Melo laying back and letting the game come to him and others...Woodson have to start looking at guys who bring energy to the game...Most of our problems are effort..

In a nutshell.


Which brings you back to the coach.
It does. Just not sure if the coach has autonomy anymore. I think there maybe some mandates for playing guys (i.e. Amare).
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
tkf
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11/10/2013  11:46 PM
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

or maybe they are just scared playa.. as you said yourself, when teams bring it, certain players can't handle it.. LOL

I gotta tell you, I have never met even a non-Knicks fan that enjoys seeing our team lose and players play bad more than you lol.

there is only one way this jackass owner will blow up this team... and that is if the team blows up... one step back.. two steps forward.. thats what I am lookin for...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/10/2013  11:48 PM
Vmart wrote:I learned that the team sucks and Woodson can now be dismissed. Switch defense is a disaster. I realize that Melo is a good player but needs real help currently the team is if full of bandaid players filling roster spots. I tried to tell you guys that there just wasn't anything positive about the Knicks going into the season. Asides from Melo there is really nothing here that one would consider a building block.

and when you examine that closely and honestly, he really isn't a building block either..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/10/2013  11:49 PM
playa2 wrote:Somebody is sabotaging this team on purpose, nobody is this incompetent.

WAKE UP PEOPLE ! Even the Atlanta Hawks went out and got a starting PG in Teagues ,after years of multiple swing men with no true pg

and woodson refused to play him.. lol

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/10/2013  11:57 PM
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

or maybe they are just scared playa.. as you said yourself, when teams bring it, certain players can't handle it.. LOL

I gotta tell you, I have never met even a non-Knicks fan that enjoys seeing our team lose and players play bad more than you lol.

there is only one way this jackass owner will blow up this team... and that is if the team blows up... one step back.. two steps forward.. thats what I am lookin for...


They did blow it up in 2008. I don't think any poor performance makes them go that route again.
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11/11/2013  12:07 AM
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

or maybe they are just scared playa.. as you said yourself, when teams bring it, certain players can't handle it.. LOL

I gotta tell you, I have never met even a non-Knicks fan that enjoys seeing our team lose and players play bad more than you lol.

there is only one way this jackass owner will blow up this team... and that is if the team blows up... one step back.. two steps forward.. thats what I am lookin for...


They did blow it up in 2008. I don't think any poor performance makes them go that route again.

a bad year may..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/11/2013  12:14 AM
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

The Knicks had a coach and gm on the same team but Grunwald was fired. The Knicks gm is limited in what they can do with the team because of the cap and sins of past gms. Grunwald had a very patient, meticulous approach. Bringing in Pablo and Cope for contracts under 500 grand last year was brilliant. Getting KMart brilliant. Udrih, and Metta were steals based on their past performances and fit with what the Knicks were doing. For all of the complaints about Bargs, Grunwald knew that Melo needed another scorer if the team was going to be successful. I don't think you can blame a gm trying to win now for trading a first round pick three years after the trade is compensated, especially if the pick is compromised. Bargs could fit talent wise and also benefits the Knicks in 2015 if they want to reload when most of their salaries expire. Not sure why Grunwald was fired but it certainly changed things for Woodson. The dysfunction started just before training camp and seems to be continuing. I think Shump is moved next. I am not sure if that isn't the smart move. My concern is that I am not sure Mills gets back what Grunwald would in a deal.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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11/11/2013  11:55 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

The Knicks had a coach and gm on the same team but Grunwald was fired. The Knicks gm is limited in what they can do with the team because of the cap and sins of past gms. Grunwald had a very patient, meticulous approach. Bringing in Pablo and Cope for contracts under 500 grand last year was brilliant. Getting KMart brilliant. Udrih, and Metta were steals based on their past performances and fit with what the Knicks were doing. For all of the complaints about Bargs, Grunwald knew that Melo needed another scorer if the team was going to be successful. I don't think you can blame a gm trying to win now for trading a first round pick three years after the trade is compensated, especially if the pick is compromised. Bargs could fit talent wise and also benefits the Knicks in 2015 if they want to reload when most of their salaries expire. Not sure why Grunwald was fired but it certainly changed things for Woodson. The dysfunction started just before training camp and seems to be continuing. I think Shump is moved next. I am not sure if that isn't the smart move. My concern is that I am not sure Mills gets back what Grunwald would in a deal.

I for one never complained about Grunwald as GM of the Knicks, the sabotaged is coming from the top , the one who's boss of the coach and GM & roster....James Dolan

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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11/11/2013  12:07 PM
Papabear wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

or maybe they are just scared playa.. as you said yourself, when teams bring it, certain players can't handle it.. LOL

I gotta tell you, I have never met even a non-Knicks fan that enjoys seeing our team lose and players play bad more than you lol.

Papabear Says

He is not a knicks fan. TKF said he was leaving the Knicks as a fan. I can't wait! Hope he does it today.

Does the team play better if TKF leaves? thats really all I care about.


Papabear Says

Probably So.

It may be so, but it is an absolute positive fact that tkf will be gone if and when the team plays better. To return only upon:
1) a losing streak,
2) a singular blow out loss,
3) some Melo backpage fodder incident.

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11/11/2013  12:13 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Papabear wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

or maybe they are just scared playa.. as you said yourself, when teams bring it, certain players can't handle it.. LOL

I gotta tell you, I have never met even a non-Knicks fan that enjoys seeing our team lose and players play bad more than you lol.

Papabear Says

He is not a knicks fan. TKF said he was leaving the Knicks as a fan. I can't wait! Hope he does it today.

Does the team play better if TKF leaves? thats really all I care about.


Papabear Says

Probably So.

It may be so, but it is an absolute positive fact that tkf will be gone if and when the team plays better. To return only upon:
1) a losing streak,
2) a singular blow out loss,
3) some Melo backpage fodder incident.

what would you and babybear have to talk about if I am not here?

certainly not basketball..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/11/2013  12:26 PM
tkf wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Papabear wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:The players aren't motivated to play at home, even if a great team like the Spurs are coming to town.

Woodson is not the Boss of this roster and the players know it.

James Dolan is.

So until we get a COACH AND GM ON THE SAME PAGE THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS WITH THIS ROSTER OR TEAM.

Fans need to boycott, the team is sabotaged from the top down.

Nobody plays consistently for a lame duck coach but rookies and bench fodder.

or maybe they are just scared playa.. as you said yourself, when teams bring it, certain players can't handle it.. LOL

I gotta tell you, I have never met even a non-Knicks fan that enjoys seeing our team lose and players play bad more than you lol.

Papabear Says

He is not a knicks fan. TKF said he was leaving the Knicks as a fan. I can't wait! Hope he does it today.

Does the team play better if TKF leaves? thats really all I care about.


Papabear Says

Probably So.

It may be so, but it is an absolute positive fact that tkf will be gone if and when the team plays better. To return only upon:
1) a losing streak,
2) a singular blow out loss,
3) some Melo backpage fodder incident.

what would you and babybear have to talk about if I am not here?

certainly not basketball..

Dontchyou worry 'bout a thing.

We have your pseudo-clone dtkf and would probably witness the return of 3G4G.
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