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Iman Shumpert to be traded? huge mistake
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NardDogNation
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11/10/2013  11:05 AM
VCoug wrote:I don't know why everyone keeps mentioning Faried; if anything we're going to be targeting Rudy Gay. I can feel it in my bones.

Now that you mention it, I could see something ridiculous like that happening. Worst of all, Gay is one of the biggest chuckers in the league and can do little else but that.

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11/10/2013  11:08 AM
Silverfuel wrote:Seriously! Trade JR not Shump. This has to be a fake rumor. I cannot imagine NY management valuing JR more than Shump.

I'm sure they value shumpert more but they know he has great trade value and smith doesn't.

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11/10/2013  11:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2013  11:13 AM
GustavBahler wrote:We could get what Faried brings, maybe more, for a lot less if we had signed Diogu.

Agree totally. I wish they went about stuff like this...This is where the Knicks always **** the bed as far as I'm concerned. Player comparison evaluation, identifying and filling gaps and coming up with some good, cheap talent. Yeah, they do it once in a blue with guys like Chris Copeland but by and large, they just don't identify with the pool of league minimum talent out there. They tend to just dismiss it altogether. I don't get that -- we're capped out and missing a majority of our draft picks year to year moving forward -- if you wanna improve and strengthen the roster, and you're a team with no cap flexibility and a sudden dearth of draft picks going forward, this is where you look for fortification. Simple..

You mentioned adding Ike Diogu instead of trading Shumpert for Faried. I completely agree with that. Would much rather have Shumpert AND Diogu rather than just Faried and then having a hole at SG. Makes no sense. I'd trade Shumpert for Tim Duncan -- obviously, that's not happening -- so on to plan B -- come up with a skilled, hard-nosed burly forward somewhere else. Diogu can play and he could fill a Ken Faried role on this team nicely.

And I wouldn't stop there -- after that, to really up the talent level at the end of the bench, I'd cut Cole Aldrich and Toure Murry and add C Marcus Cousin and PG Jeremy Pargo (Chris Smith would be my other immediate cut that allows us to add Diogu). HUGE upgrade right there across the board...Cousin's a skilled 7' center that competes hard and brings a lot to the table offensively (he's a power player that has a real soft touch on the ball and can shoot it with range. Pretty damn good post game too. Think a more skilled overall version of Channing Frye) and Jeremy Pargo's widely regarded as one of the better PGs in Europe the past few years. Dude's nothing like his brother Jannero -- Jeremy's much quicker and a much better athlete (explosive athlete actually ) that's more of a true penetrating PG (Jannero's never been much more than a mediocre spot-up shooter -- completely different PGs). We had interest in Bobby Brown this off-season -- Jeremy Pargo's a few years younger and flat out the better player. Think a more athletic version of Ray Felton. Both of these guys (along with Diogu) could really fortify this team right now in all the right areas.

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11/10/2013  11:10 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:I don't know why everyone keeps mentioning Faried; if anything we're going to be targeting Rudy Gay. I can feel it in my bones.

Now that you mention it, I could see something ridiculous like that happening. Worst of all, Gay is one of the biggest chuckers in the league and can do little else but that.

I think rondo or gay are most likely targets. Gay is a chucker but has always been a first option on offense when he shouldn't be. Teams have always asked him to be a 20-plus point scorer when I think he would be a very efficient scorer if asked to be less.

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11/10/2013  11:13 AM
knickscity wrote:We traded away a championship supporting cast? When was this?

Gallo and Chandler are great great supporting players. Them on this team and Lin would have been MUCH better than where we are now.
And, we would have assets. Just think what we could have gotten with those players.

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11/10/2013  11:15 AM
Nalod wrote:Faried next to Bargs and Melo could make Tyson expendable if Tyler can come off the bench and give us 20 quality minutes. Tyson could be traded.

Think outside the box a bit guys. Keynon is toast. Amare is toast. If chandler can be moved before he is toast it will save us a lot of grief.

You mean think outside the defense box? Where the heck would our defense come from with Faried manning the middle?
I really like the guy, but Chandler is like a men among boys with Faried on defense.
We have to get great value for Chandler, and I'm not sure we get the center we need.
I agree about Tyler, but he won'T be much ready to really contribute till next year, probably like HArdaway Jr.

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11/10/2013  11:20 AM
Personally, I prefer to have Shumpert and Faried. Back to Bully ball! I would much, much, much rather trade JR, I think depending on such a volatile personality, worries me. This is coming from a guy that wanted JR on this team since he was in New Orleans giving Byron Scott fits. Smith is a great talent, but I think Shump is a more diverse versatile weapon that is a piece of a championship team. I think Smith is perfectly suited for a 6th man role on a championship team so that you are not totally dependent on his contributions.
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11/10/2013  11:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2013  11:30 AM
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knickscity wrote:We traded away a championship supporting cast? When was this?

Gallo and Chandler are great great supporting players. Them on this team and Lin would have been MUCH better than where we are now.
And, we would have assets. Just think what we could have gotten with those players.

You are out of your mind! No Melo or chandler? Not to mention we would have never had Lin if we didn't make those moves. And gallo and chandler were due to be paid. Their value was declining.

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11/10/2013  11:30 AM
Also, I loved how Shump stepped up at time in the playoffs- you need players who can do that, as most seem to wilt under the pressure.

It's strange how Faried has gone from near universal praise last year, to quite a bit of criticism this season. I haven't watched him much so I have no idea if it's justified. We need rebounding, but we can't have ANOTHER poor defender at PF/C. Are there any more rugged rebounders out there that can also defend, and may be available?

I think we will end up trading Shump for Faried. I think it'll be a big mistake.

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11/10/2013  11:33 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Can Faried defend the 3 well? If so, he might be one of a handful of players that would be the perfect compliment to Melo playing the 4.

Faried sucks as a defender of any position.


Very true.

Nothing but a younger Reggie Evans.

Lol, I said the same thing in another post.

You were right. I was really hoping you would do that poll.
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11/10/2013  11:35 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
knickscity wrote:We traded away a championship supporting cast? When was this?

Gallo and Chandler are great great supporting players. Them on this team and Lin would have been MUCH better than where we are now.
And, we would have assets. Just think what we could have gotten with those players.


So what have they done for Denver, not much.

BTW, you wouldnt have this team if you kept them, and there would be no Lin...Felton would have never left.

it's ok to dream, but you gotta snap out as well.

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11/10/2013  11:36 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Can Faried defend the 3 well? If so, he might be one of a handful of players that would be the perfect compliment to Melo playing the 4.

Faried sucks as a defender of any position.


Very true.

Nothing but a younger Reggie Evans.

Lol, I said the same thing in another post.

You were right. I was really hoping you would do that poll.

Let's not go crazy here. I wouldn't do this trade but Faried averages a highly efficient 15 points per 36 minutes. Evans has no offensive game and averages an inefficient, single digit production per 36. Faried also blocks more shots.

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11/10/2013  11:43 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Can Faried defend the 3 well? If so, he might be one of a handful of players that would be the perfect compliment to Melo playing the 4.

Faried sucks as a defender of any position.


Very true.

Nothing but a younger Reggie Evans.

Lol, I said the same thing in another post.

You were right. I was really hoping you would do that poll.

Let's not go crazy here. I wouldn't do this trade but Faried averages a highly efficient 15 points per 36 minutes. Evans has no offensive game and averages an inefficient, single digit production per 36. Faried also blocks more shots.


Just stop other than hustle faried is garbage.

No defense at all and scores only on putbacks.

per 36? can he even play 30?

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11/10/2013  11:59 AM
Knixkik wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
knickscity wrote:We traded away a championship supporting cast? When was this?

Gallo and Chandler are great great supporting players. Them on this team and Lin would have been MUCH better than where we are now.
And, we would have assets. Just think what we could have gotten with those players.

You are out of your mind! No Melo or chandler? Not to mention we would have never had Lin if we didn't make those moves. And gallo and chandler were due to be paid. Their value was declining.


Wilson was my favorite player when he was here but can he even stay healthy?
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11/10/2013  12:10 PM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Can Faried defend the 3 well? If so, he might be one of a handful of players that would be the perfect compliment to Melo playing the 4.

Faried sucks as a defender of any position.


Very true.

Nothing but a younger Reggie Evans.

Lol, I said the same thing in another post.

You were right. I was really hoping you would do that poll.

Let's not go crazy here. I wouldn't do this trade but Faried averages a highly efficient 15 points per 36 minutes. Evans has no offensive game and averages an inefficient, single digit production per 36. Faried also blocks more shots.


Just stop other than hustle faried is garbage.

No defense at all and scores only on putbacks.

per 36? can he even play 30?

You're ignoring the data and just resorting to rhetoric

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11/10/2013  12:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2013  12:10 PM
TeamBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
knickscity wrote:We traded away a championship supporting cast? When was this?

Gallo and Chandler are great great supporting players. Them on this team and Lin would have been MUCH better than where we are now.
And, we would have assets. Just think what we could have gotten with those players.

You are out of your mind! No Melo or chandler? Not to mention we would have never had Lin if we didn't make those moves. And gallo and chandler were due to be paid. Their value was declining.


Wilson was my favorite player when he was here but can he even stay healthy?

He honestly can't- he's out injured even now. I was one of my favorites too, but there's no point in having players who are always injured.

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11/10/2013  12:30 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Can Faried defend the 3 well? If so, he might be one of a handful of players that would be the perfect compliment to Melo playing the 4.

Faried sucks as a defender of any position.


Very true.

Nothing but a younger Reggie Evans.

Lol, I said the same thing in another post.

You were right. I was really hoping you would do that poll.

Let's not go crazy here. I wouldn't do this trade but Faried averages a highly efficient 15 points per 36 minutes. Evans has no offensive game and averages an inefficient, single digit production per 36. Faried also blocks more shots.


Just stop other than hustle faried is garbage.

No defense at all and scores only on putbacks.

per 36? can he even play 30?

You're ignoring the data and just resorting to rhetoric

Faried plays in a high powered offense. He is only 6'6". He does have huge hands a great wingspan.
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11/10/2013  12:32 PM
at this point if the knicks are like 10 games under .500 at the deadline i would seriously consider rying to get as many first round picks and we can and do a real rebuild this time.
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11/10/2013  12:59 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:Can Faried defend the 3 well? If so, he might be one of a handful of players that would be the perfect compliment to Melo playing the 4.

Faried sucks as a defender of any position.


Very true.

Nothing but a younger Reggie Evans.

Lol, I said the same thing in another post.

You were right. I was really hoping you would do that poll.

Let's not go crazy here. I wouldn't do this trade but Faried averages a highly efficient 15 points per 36 minutes. Evans has no offensive game and averages an inefficient, single digit production per 36. Faried also blocks more shots.


Just stop other than hustle faried is garbage.

No defense at all and scores only on putbacks.

per 36? can he even play 30?

You're ignoring the data and just resorting to rhetoric

Faried plays in a high powered offense. He is only 6'6". He does have huge hands a great wingspan.

He measured at 6'7.5" before the nba draft (and I don't know if he was full grown then).

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11/10/2013  4:30 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:at this point if the knicks are like 10 games under .500 at the deadline i would seriously consider rying to get as many first round picks and we can and do a real rebuild this time.

If that's the case then we need to be on the phone with Cleveland, Milwaukee, New Orleans, and Washington about Melo.

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