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11/9/2013  2:26 PM
I thought Melo played a good game and it was a much more TEAM oriented game overall. He had a good balance of being aggressive and also setting up his teammates. It's not about downplaying this cuz it was the Bobcats, who by the way won 3 games, it's about the style of play not the strength of competition. Why more people don't get that I don't know. Sure it's harder against the top teams, but you have to establish a good style of play that you do consistently game to game and that's what this is about. Playing the right way every night.
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11/9/2013  2:29 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....

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11/9/2013  2:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2013  2:33 PM
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.
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11/9/2013  2:52 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

+1000
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11/9/2013  3:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2013  3:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...

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11/9/2013  6:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2013  6:02 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.
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11/9/2013  6:40 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are these allstars he's played with since joining the Knicks?

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11/9/2013  6:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2013  6:44 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...

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11/9/2013  6:45 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...

Took the words right off my keyboard...

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11/9/2013  6:51 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

+1000

Interesting how you and Bonn ignore the fact that I said he's a scoring forward/ not a point forward. With that said, lets take a look at some assists numbers from a former NYK King....

In 4 seasons with the Knicks, here are Bernards assist averages:

2.9 ast
2.1 ast
3.7 ast
3.2 ast

In comparison, here are Melo's

3.6 ast
2.6 ast
3.6 ast
3.6 ast ( currently, for this season.

Neither assist totals are anything to write home about, but as I mentioned, Melo, like Bernard is a scoring forward. It's not always about the actual assist numbers when you dont have many shot makers on your squad, sometimes it helps when you move the ball some, and I think that was Yellowboys point....

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11/9/2013  6:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2013  6:53 PM
Here is the point..No one really knows what type of player he can be with another star taking the pressure off him to score...His teams have always needed him to carry the scoring burden..What else can he do if he doesn't have to score at the same rate as in the past...I would like to see that...I don't want it left to assumption and others opinions...Everyone has their own bias...
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11/9/2013  6:53 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...


No. He had at least one player appearing in the all-star game with him during the current season each year except one since 2006. I don't know if there's any clearer way to word it. You can look his teammates up on BBall reference and almost any other site can list all-star by season. And actually he should be able to get at least 1-2 assists a game to Chandler.
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11/9/2013  6:55 PM
Uptown wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

+1000

Interesting how you and Bonn ignore the fact that I said he's a scoring forward/ not a point forward. With that said, lets take a look at some assists numbers from a former NYK King....

In 4 seasons with the Knicks, here are Bernards assist averages:

2.9 ast
2.1 ast
3.7 ast
3.2 ast

In comparison, here are Melo's

3.6 ast
2.6 ast
3.6 ast
3.6 ast ( currently, for this season.

Neither assist totals are anything to write home about, but as I mentioned, Melo, like Bernard is a scoring forward. It's not always about the actual assist numbers when you dont have many shot makers on your squad, sometimes it helps when you move the ball some, and I think that was Yellowboys point....


I've never given Bernard a huge endorsement. He was better than Melo but if most fans weren't PPG-obsessed they wouldn't remember him 2 decades later.
"a scoring forward/ not a point forward" - that sounds like a polite way of saying a "volume scorer who struggles in all other phases of the game."
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11/9/2013  6:55 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...


No. He had at least one player appearing in the all-star game with him during the current season each year except one since 2006. I don't know if there's any clearer way to word it. You can look his teammates up on BBall reference and almost any other site can list all-star by season. And actually he should be able to get at least 1-2 assists a game to Chandler.

You can make it clearer by naming them...Most likely they aren't the type of players people would consider offensive players like Chandler...
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11/9/2013  6:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2013  6:58 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...


No. He had at least one player appearing in the all-star game with him during the current season each year except one since 2006. I don't know if there's any clearer way to word it. You can look his teammates up on BBall reference and almost any other site can list all-star by season. And actually he should be able to get at least 1-2 assists a game to Chandler.

You can make it clearer by naming them...Most likely they aren't the type of players people would consider offensive players like Chandler...

You could do your own homework but I know you won't.
So it's Allen Iverson, Chauncey Billups, Amare Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler.
I know you hate efficient scorers and offensive rebounding but, yes, having the league's leading offensive rebounder to grab your misses should take some pressure off. I know I'd feel less pressure if I knew there was a good chance my misses would be grabbed by my teammate.
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11/9/2013  7:11 PM
Iverson and Billups..Both ball handlers in their offense..
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11/9/2013  7:16 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...


No. He had at least one player appearing in the all-star game with him during the current season each year except one since 2006. I don't know if there's any clearer way to word it. You can look his teammates up on BBall reference and almost any other site can list all-star by season. And actually he should be able to get at least 1-2 assists a game to Chandler.

You can make it clearer by naming them...Most likely they aren't the type of players people would consider offensive players like Chandler...

You could do your own homework but I know you won't.
So it's Allen Iverson, Chauncey Billups, Amare Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler.
I know you hate efficient scorers and offensive rebounding but, yes, having the league's leading offensive rebounder to grab your misses should take some pressure off. I know I'd feel less pressure if I knew there was a good chance my misses would be grabbed by my teammate.

All with a caveat...Amare was an all star previously and a shell of himself when Melo arrived...
Chandler is far from an offensive weapon..
Iverson and Billup were both in decline...

All that don't matter tho, just want to prove a point that not really valid when u look at the evidence...enjoy the games...

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11/9/2013  7:59 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...


No. He had at least one player appearing in the all-star game with him during the current season each year except one since 2006. I don't know if there's any clearer way to word it. You can look his teammates up on BBall reference and almost any other site can list all-star by season. And actually he should be able to get at least 1-2 assists a game to Chandler.

You can make it clearer by naming them...Most likely they aren't the type of players people would consider offensive players like Chandler...

You could do your own homework but I know you won't.
So it's Allen Iverson, Chauncey Billups, Amare Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler.
I know you hate efficient scorers and offensive rebounding but, yes, having the league's leading offensive rebounder to grab your misses should take some pressure off. I know I'd feel less pressure if I knew there was a good chance my misses would be grabbed by my teammate.

All with a caveat...Amare was an all star previously and a shell of himself when Melo arrived...
Chandler is far from an offensive weapon..
Iverson and Billup were both in decline...

All that don't matter tho, just want to prove a point that not really valid when u look at the evidence...enjoy the games...

haha. I knew there would be an excuse for each one even though these players were all all-stars, Olympians, and in one case a top 5 MVP candidate during the actual seasons they played with Carmelo.

Excuse??...Knicks have 2 max players, one can barely walk and that is an excuse??..Chandler is an Olympian, haha..tell that to Hibbert...Iverson top 5 MVP in 2000...Whatever...

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11/9/2013  8:39 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...


No. He had at least one player appearing in the all-star game with him during the current season each year except one since 2006. I don't know if there's any clearer way to word it. You can look his teammates up on BBall reference and almost any other site can list all-star by season. And actually he should be able to get at least 1-2 assists a game to Chandler.

You can make it clearer by naming them...Most likely they aren't the type of players people would consider offensive players like Chandler...

You could do your own homework but I know you won't.
So it's Allen Iverson, Chauncey Billups, Amare Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler.
I know you hate efficient scorers and offensive rebounding but, yes, having the league's leading offensive rebounder to grab your misses should take some pressure off. I know I'd feel less pressure if I knew there was a good chance my misses would be grabbed by my teammate.

All with a caveat...Amare was an all star previously and a shell of himself when Melo arrived...
Chandler is far from an offensive weapon..
Iverson and Billup were both in decline...

All that don't matter tho, just want to prove a point that not really valid when u look at the evidence...enjoy the games...

haha. I knew there would be an excuse for each one even though these players were all all-stars, Olympians, and in one case a top 5 MVP candidate during the actual seasons they played with Carmelo.

Excuse??...Knicks have 2 max players, one can barely walk and that is an excuse??..Chandler is an Olympian, haha..tell that to Hibbert...Iverson top 5 MVP in 2000...Whatever...

Actually, I meant Billups being a top 5 MVP candidate but you're right about Iverson too.

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11/9/2013  8:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2013  8:42 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Before last night game he was avg 8 assist opportunities per game so its not like this is something new.

Good stat. He's always been a willing passer but when's the last time Melo had a teammate that could knock down shots like Bargs? His presence will help in Melo's assist department but I think we all need to realize that Melo is a scoring forward, he's not Steve Nash....


Melo has had all-star, future HOF, and Olympian-calibre NBA teammates. It had no impact on his assist totals.

Who were they and at what stage in their careers did they play with Melo..Sheed was an all star, Amare was an all star...Iverson was an all star...


Since 2006, he's had only season without a teammate appearing in the all-star game.

Who are they and what year did they appear in any all star game..I bet none appeared post 2006...I loath the games we play to make a point...Chandler???..Melo should have been racking up the assist to Chandler...


No. He had at least one player appearing in the all-star game with him during the current season each year except one since 2006. I don't know if there's any clearer way to word it. You can look his teammates up on BBall reference and almost any other site can list all-star by season. And actually he should be able to get at least 1-2 assists a game to Chandler.

You can make it clearer by naming them...Most likely they aren't the type of players people would consider offensive players like Chandler...

You could do your own homework but I know you won't.
So it's Allen Iverson, Chauncey Billups, Amare Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler.
I know you hate efficient scorers and offensive rebounding but, yes, having the league's leading offensive rebounder to grab your misses should take some pressure off. I know I'd feel less pressure if I knew there was a good chance my misses would be grabbed by my teammate.

All with a caveat...Amare was an all star previously and a shell of himself when Melo arrived...
Chandler is far from an offensive weapon..
Iverson and Billup were both in decline...

All that don't matter tho, just want to prove a point that not really valid when u look at the evidence...enjoy the games...

haha. I knew there would be an excuse for each one even though these players were all all-stars, Olympians, and in one case a top 5 MVP candidate during the actual seasons they played with Carmelo.

Excuse??...Knicks have 2 max players, one can barely walk and that is an excuse??..Chandler is an Olympian, haha..tell that to Hibbert...Iverson top 5 MVP in 2000...Whatever...

Actually, I meant Billups being a top 5 MVP candidate but you're right about Iverson too.


And that's an MVP candidate *while playing with Melo* not simply being an MVP in prime years before playing with Melo. (One correction is that he was top 6, not 5, with Melo though.)
Not many people have played with the number of Olympians, all-stars, and MVP candidates Melo has.
Melo... 6 assists!

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