Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't about that, TC this year was beasting, over the course of a season he would easily be a MVP top 10 candidate the way he was playing in the first 3-4 games. If that TC could be on the court for for 28 minutes and last nights Bargs could be on the court for 20 minutes, this team would be extremely difficult to beat.

Yeah, so many people here don't care about anything other than PPG.

yea, people are going nuts over one game in which bargnani took 25 shots to get 25 points.. I think people are so excited with seeing him resemble anything other than a bust, that they overrate last nights game vs the bobcats, and the same with carmelo.. his first decent game of the year.. well gooooly ( in my gomer pile voice) the dude is getting 20 mil a year, nice to see him play a decent game one out of 4..

during the course of the year, almost every player will have a game or two in which he looks like a MVP calibre player.. the difference is, the good players give this every night or most nights.. bargnani hasn't, doesn't, won't..

good win for the knicks no doubt, but no need to go overboard.. what chandler was bringing every night was more valuable to this team, and he has proven he can do it over the course of a season. that will be missed.. I could care less if bargnani ever played another minute.. he is a bum.. get chandler back soon!!

Bargnani didn't have a great game because of the points, it was his aggressiveness on both ends, 8 boards, 5 blocks, and he showed toughness. The scoring was great but he played an all around game that was beyond expectations when we needed it most.

8 boards in 35 minutes is pretty bad for a center actually. Obviously the 5 blocks are great though.

He's not a center. I'm not comparing him to what a center does, I'm comparing him to what we expect of him.

you don't want this guy taking 25 shots a night.

blkexec wrote:After listening to Bargs post game interview, not I understand why there are so many ISO's or inconsistent offensive play. Bargs said they are free to do what they want to do on offense, as long as they play defense. Thats explains everything! We will continue to be up and down all year, until Woodson provides more structure on offense.

"On offense you do what you want. on defense you do what I want."

- Red Holzman

Pro basketball players respect coaches that give them freedom. Scripting plays is for college. NBA defenses are too sophisticated and too athletic to run any play to perfection, a majority of the time.

Ever Note that Mike woodson diagrams effective plays out of timeouts?

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't about that, TC this year was beasting, over the course of a season he would easily be a MVP top 10 candidate the way he was playing in the first 3-4 games. If that TC could be on the court for for 28 minutes and last nights Bargs could be on the court for 20 minutes, this team would be extremely difficult to beat.

Yeah, so many people here don't care about anything other than PPG.

yea, people are going nuts over one game in which bargnani took 25 shots to get 25 points.. I think people are so excited with seeing him resemble anything other than a bust, that they overrate last nights game vs the bobcats, and the same with carmelo.. his first decent game of the year.. well gooooly ( in my gomer pile voice) the dude is getting 20 mil a year, nice to see him play a decent game one out of 4..

during the course of the year, almost every player will have a game or two in which he looks like a MVP calibre player.. the difference is, the good players give this every night or most nights.. bargnani hasn't, doesn't, won't..

good win for the knicks no doubt, but no need to go overboard.. what chandler was bringing every night was more valuable to this team, and he has proven he can do it over the course of a season. that will be missed.. I could care less if bargnani ever played another minute.. he is a bum.. get chandler back soon!!

Bargnani didn't have a great game because of the points, it was his aggressiveness on both ends, 8 boards, 5 blocks, and he showed toughness. The scoring was great but he played an all around game that was beyond expectations when we needed it most.

8 boards in 35 minutes is pretty bad for a center actually. Obviously the 5 blocks are great though.

He's not a center. I'm not comparing him to what a center does, I'm comparing him to what we expect of him.

He's 7 foot and played a lot of center for toronto. I'd consider him a center, he's got the size and the ability. he also can be a headache for opposing centers because of his range.

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't about that, TC this year was beasting, over the course of a season he would easily be a MVP top 10 candidate the way he was playing in the first 3-4 games. If that TC could be on the court for for 28 minutes and last nights Bargs could be on the court for 20 minutes, this team would be extremely difficult to beat.

Yeah, so many people here don't care about anything other than PPG.

yea, people are going nuts over one game in which bargnani took 25 shots to get 25 points.. I think people are so excited with seeing him resemble anything other than a bust, that they overrate last nights game vs the bobcats, and the same with carmelo.. his first decent game of the year.. well gooooly ( in my gomer pile voice) the dude is getting 20 mil a year, nice to see him play a decent game one out of 4..

during the course of the year, almost every player will have a game or two in which he looks like a MVP calibre player.. the difference is, the good players give this every night or most nights.. bargnani hasn't, doesn't, won't..

good win for the knicks no doubt, but no need to go overboard.. what chandler was bringing every night was more valuable to this team, and he has proven he can do it over the course of a season. that will be missed.. I could care less if bargnani ever played another minute.. he is a bum.. get chandler back soon!!

Bargnani didn't have a great game because of the points, it was his aggressiveness on both ends, 8 boards, 5 blocks, and he showed toughness. The scoring was great but he played an all around game that was beyond expectations when we needed it most.

8 boards in 35 minutes is pretty bad for a center actually. Obviously the 5 blocks are great though.

He's not a center. I'm not comparing him to what a center does, I'm comparing him to what we expect of him.

You play the position your assigned to play. The refs don't give you a rebounding handicap if you start at PF at center.

You are completely missing the point...

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't about that, TC this year was beasting, over the course of a season he would easily be a MVP top 10 candidate the way he was playing in the first 3-4 games. If that TC could be on the court for for 28 minutes and last nights Bargs could be on the court for 20 minutes, this team would be extremely difficult to beat.

Yeah, so many people here don't care about anything other than PPG.

yea, people are going nuts over one game in which bargnani took 25 shots to get 25 points.. I think people are so excited with seeing him resemble anything other than a bust, that they overrate last nights game vs the bobcats, and the same with carmelo.. his first decent game of the year.. well gooooly ( in my gomer pile voice) the dude is getting 20 mil a year, nice to see him play a decent game one out of 4..

during the course of the year, almost every player will have a game or two in which he looks like a MVP calibre player.. the difference is, the good players give this every night or most nights.. bargnani hasn't, doesn't, won't..

good win for the knicks no doubt, but no need to go overboard.. what chandler was bringing every night was more valuable to this team, and he has proven he can do it over the course of a season. that will be missed.. I could care less if bargnani ever played another minute.. he is a bum.. get chandler back soon!!

Bargnani didn't have a great game because of the points, it was his aggressiveness on both ends, 8 boards, 5 blocks, and he showed toughness. The scoring was great but he played an all around game that was beyond expectations when we needed it most.

8 boards in 35 minutes is pretty bad for a center actually. Obviously the 5 blocks are great though.

He's not a center. I'm not comparing him to what a center does, I'm comparing him to what we expect of him.

You play the position your assigned to play. The refs don't give you a rebounding handicap if you start at PF at center.

You are completely missing the point...

No, I understand your point and reject its importance.

Did he not exceed expectations for rebounding and toughness that helped lead to a win when we needed it most?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't about that, TC this year was beasting, over the course of a season he would easily be a MVP top 10 candidate the way he was playing in the first 3-4 games. If that TC could be on the court for for 28 minutes and last nights Bargs could be on the court for 20 minutes, this team would be extremely difficult to beat.

Yeah, so many people here don't care about anything other than PPG.

yea, people are going nuts over one game in which bargnani took 25 shots to get 25 points.. I think people are so excited with seeing him resemble anything other than a bust, that they overrate last nights game vs the bobcats, and the same with carmelo.. his first decent game of the year.. well gooooly ( in my gomer pile voice) the dude is getting 20 mil a year, nice to see him play a decent game one out of 4..

during the course of the year, almost every player will have a game or two in which he looks like a MVP calibre player.. the difference is, the good players give this every night or most nights.. bargnani hasn't, doesn't, won't..

good win for the knicks no doubt, but no need to go overboard.. what chandler was bringing every night was more valuable to this team, and he has proven he can do it over the course of a season. that will be missed.. I could care less if bargnani ever played another minute.. he is a bum.. get chandler back soon!!

Bargnani didn't have a great game because of the points, it was his aggressiveness on both ends, 8 boards, 5 blocks, and he showed toughness. The scoring was great but he played an all around game that was beyond expectations when we needed it most.

8 boards in 35 minutes is pretty bad for a center actually. Obviously the 5 blocks are great though.

C'mon Bonn. You've gotta say it in one sentence. 25 points, 8 rebounds and 5 blocks. I know if your center was giving you this line nightly, you'd be one happy fan

Sangfroid wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't about that, TC this year was beasting, over the course of a season he would easily be a MVP top 10 candidate the way he was playing in the first 3-4 games. If that TC could be on the court for for 28 minutes and last nights Bargs could be on the court for 20 minutes, this team would be extremely difficult to beat.

Yeah, so many people here don't care about anything other than PPG.

yea, people are going nuts over one game in which bargnani took 25 shots to get 25 points.. I think people are so excited with seeing him resemble anything other than a bust, that they overrate last nights game vs the bobcats, and the same with carmelo.. his first decent game of the year.. well gooooly ( in my gomer pile voice) the dude is getting 20 mil a year, nice to see him play a decent game one out of 4..

during the course of the year, almost every player will have a game or two in which he looks like a MVP calibre player.. the difference is, the good players give this every night or most nights.. bargnani hasn't, doesn't, won't..

good win for the knicks no doubt, but no need to go overboard.. what chandler was bringing every night was more valuable to this team, and he has proven he can do it over the course of a season. that will be missed.. I could care less if bargnani ever played another minute.. he is a bum.. get chandler back soon!!

Bargnani didn't have a great game because of the points, it was his aggressiveness on both ends, 8 boards, 5 blocks, and he showed toughness. The scoring was great but he played an all around game that was beyond expectations when we needed it most.

8 boards in 35 minutes is pretty bad for a center actually. Obviously the 5 blocks are great though.

C'mon Bonn. You've gotta say it in one sentence. 25 points, 8 rebounds and 5 blocks. I know if your center was giving you this line nightly, you'd be one happy fan

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't about that, TC this year was beasting, over the course of a season he would easily be a MVP top 10 candidate the way he was playing in the first 3-4 games. If that TC could be on the court for for 28 minutes and last nights Bargs could be on the court for 20 minutes, this team would be extremely difficult to beat.

Yeah, so many people here don't care about anything other than PPG.

yea, people are going nuts over one game in which bargnani took 25 shots to get 25 points.. I think people are so excited with seeing him resemble anything other than a bust, that they overrate last nights game vs the bobcats, and the same with carmelo.. his first decent game of the year.. well gooooly ( in my gomer pile voice) the dude is getting 20 mil a year, nice to see him play a decent game one out of 4..

during the course of the year, almost every player will have a game or two in which he looks like a MVP calibre player.. the difference is, the good players give this every night or most nights.. bargnani hasn't, doesn't, won't..

good win for the knicks no doubt, but no need to go overboard.. what chandler was bringing every night was more valuable to this team, and he has proven he can do it over the course of a season. that will be missed.. I could care less if bargnani ever played another minute.. he is a bum.. get chandler back soon!!

Bargnani didn't have a great game because of the points, it was his aggressiveness on both ends, 8 boards, 5 blocks, and he showed toughness. The scoring was great but he played an all around game that was beyond expectations when we needed it most.

8 boards in 35 minutes is pretty bad for a center actually. Obviously the 5 blocks are great though.

C'mon Bonn. You've gotta say it in one sentence. 25 points, 8 rebounds and 5 blocks. I know if your center was giving you this line nightly, you'd be one happy fan

Yes, but only because of the 5 blocks and because Tyson is injured. 25 points on 25 shots is bad.

MOST of the shots he took were great shots that he just missed. You're being WAY too critical of the final stat line. There will be nights where he hits for a higher % on those and then he'll have a huge night. Just accept that this guy has that kind of talent. It's not that hard to see that if he gets fully comfortable out there he can go for 30+ on any night. It's a plus to have a guy that has that kind of talent in the mix.

we are talking about the bobcats not the bulls, pacers, heat, and yes the nets. i know we have to start somewhere but... do you see this guy being effective in the playoffs with his game? please tell me you learned from last season that there is such a thing as a fool's gold player?

for starters he HAS TO draw fouls by getting to the rim on drives. and i mean 6 fta a game minimum. this volume shooting spells doom in the playoffs.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I don't about that, TC this year was beasting, over the course of a season he would easily be a MVP top 10 candidate the way he was playing in the first 3-4 games. If that TC could be on the court for for 28 minutes and last nights Bargs could be on the court for 20 minutes, this team would be extremely difficult to beat.

Yeah, so many people here don't care about anything other than PPG.

yea, people are going nuts over one game in which bargnani took 25 shots to get 25 points.. I think people are so excited with seeing him resemble anything other than a bust, that they overrate last nights game vs the bobcats, and the same with carmelo.. his first decent game of the year.. well gooooly ( in my gomer pile voice) the dude is getting 20 mil a year, nice to see him play a decent game one out of 4..

during the course of the year, almost every player will have a game or two in which he looks like a MVP calibre player.. the difference is, the good players give this every night or most nights.. bargnani hasn't, doesn't, won't..

good win for the knicks no doubt, but no need to go overboard.. what chandler was bringing every night was more valuable to this team, and he has proven he can do it over the course of a season. that will be missed.. I could care less if bargnani ever played another minute.. he is a bum.. get chandler back soon!!

Bargnani didn't have a great game because of the points, it was his aggressiveness on both ends, 8 boards, 5 blocks, and he showed toughness. The scoring was great but he played an all around game that was beyond expectations when we needed it most.

8 boards in 35 minutes is pretty bad for a center actually. Obviously the 5 blocks are great though.

C'mon Bonn. You've gotta say it in one sentence. 25 points, 8 rebounds and 5 blocks. I know if your center was giving you this line nightly, you'd be one happy fan

Yes, but only because of the 5 blocks and because Tyson is injured. 25 points on 25 shots is bad.

MOST of the shots he took were great shots that he just missed. You're being WAY too critical of the final stat line. There will be nights where he hits for a higher % on those and then he'll have a huge night.