tkf wrote:NardDogNation wrote:tkf wrote:NardDogNation wrote:tkf wrote:NardDogNation wrote:tkf wrote:NardDogNation wrote:tkf wrote:Dagger wrote:tkf wrote:How is shumpert for Faried lateral? denver loses in that trade... I like shumpert, but come on.. faried is a threat to double/ double every night.... we don't get anything consistent out of shumpert...As far as fixing this roster or adding some stability, that may be an off season job....a lot of restructuring..
He's a threat to double-double every night, is that supposed to be impressive? Any competent big man in the league is a "threat to double-double" he's nothing special. Besides, Faried's double doubles are of the 10pts 10rbs variety, not the 20pt 15rb kind. He's not that good.
really? well here is the list.. Dwight, David lee, Aski, Vujaveic, Zach, hickson and Horford..
the next group of guys close to avg a double/ double, who were over 9 boards per but not quite 10..
Cousins, monroe, Faried, Tristian Thompson, Al jefferson, Lamarcus Aldridge..
Pretty good company.. So it is not just any competent big man.. these guys are above and beyond competent..
and you could not get any of them just by trading shumpert... The end!!!
This might be a poignant argument IF Faried actually averaged a double-double, which he has never done.
AS i SAID 11/9.2 IS DAMN near close... for example, guys like cousins, Jefferson and Aldridge didn't average double doubles... but you are missing the point either because you can't comprehend or you are just that much of a homer to believe that shumpert could get you a guy like faried straight up...
You gotta be kidding me...
Just because you state an opinion and then repeat that opinion ad naseum, it does not make it true. Faried is a good player, no one is denying this, but you seem to be billing him as something more than a role player. He is in the mold of a Jerome Williams, Reggie Evans, which is nothing special. Those types of players are readily attainable via trades and free agent signings. Shumpert is that caliber of player albiet, at a different position.
he is cleary better than both jerome williams or reggie evans.. and you damn well know it.. and what was my opinion of him? huH? I just stated that shumpert would not be enough to get a player like that.... the dude plays only 28mpg and averaged close to 12/10.. are you kidding me? at 23 with his motor and ability, knicks would kill to get a player like that...
let me ask you this.. we have faried.. would you trade him for shumpert?
Really? What does Faried do that is appreciably better than Reggie Evans? Never even mind the fact that at 6"6', he can easily be shot over and/or posted up.
And no, I wouldn't trade Faried for Shumpert if we had him because we have so many capable 2 guards on this team and not a single healthy body at the 4 spot that is a natural 4. The two players though are of equal value so it all comes down to the circumstances I'm in.
he is a better offensive player than evans and 10x the athlete and finisher.. come on man.. if you guys want faried so bad to trade shumpert for and you feel faried is no better than reggie evans then why didn't we just go after evans?
you are making no sense bro..
No he's not. Neither player developed their value from scoring the ball. When you look at the factors that did matter (rebounding rate and their ability to draw fouls) both are very similar. Yes, today I'd obviously take Faried; he's younger, but Evans in his prime was a virtual carboncopy and he's bounced around the league (6 teams) and never played for a franchise for more than 3 seasons. This is Faried's career trajectory and he's shown me nothing to suggest otherwise. You seem to think so highly of the Nuggets ability to evaluate players and they thought so much of Faried that they acquired both JJ Hickson and Darrell Arthur. Clearly, don't think that highly of him or his abilities. Everyone seems to understand this fact but you.
no they are not, evans had no offense whatsoever.. he averaged at most 5ppg.. faried was at 12.. huge difference.. faried isn't kareem, but he is a much more competent offensive player.. when you add that in, plus that fact that he is a very good finisher... the are not even close.. will you please stop with this ridiculousness? please?
You seem to think so highly of the Nuggets ability to evaluate players and they thought so much of Faried that they acquired both JJ Hickson and Darrell Arthur. Clearly, don't think that highly of him or his abilities. Everyone seems to understand this fact but you.
dude try something else.. obviously you are not that good at this.. Denver was thin on the front line.. faried will give you the same numbers if he starts or come off the bench....adding Hickson and Arthur meant the nuggets wanted depth and talent, more talent on their frontline...
did we add bargnani because carmelo and chandler were not highly thought of by the knicks brass?
Again, just because you keep repeating a point, it doesn't mean that it is true. This isn't Fox News. You can continue to ignore my points but when you compare the rebounding rates and their ability to get to the line (aka the two factors that gives them their value) both players are nearly carbon copys of each other. Faried has better offensive numbers but he also played in a faster paced, freer flowing offense that offered more opportunities to score. If we adjust for this difference, I'm sure it would not be as pronounced as you are suggesting. If you don't address these facts, I'll just begin to copy and paste my response to all your responses since you're not introducing anything new to this discussion.
As for the Nuggets supposedly signing Hickson and Arthur to add depth, THEY ALREADY HAD DEPTH AT THE BIG MAN SPOTS. They were 3 deep at center and 2 deep at powerforward (3 if Gallo's healthy) but instead chose to trade their starting center for another PF aka Faried's spot. That says something.
