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blkexec
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11/5/2013  4:20 PM
Trying to teach an old dog new tricks is only confusing him. I'm telling u I had the same issue before....over thinking. Didn't know when to take over and when to pass....then I realized taking over doesn't mean scoring 50....it mean controlling the game on both ends....scoring..passing..leading..etc
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11/5/2013  4:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2013  4:36 PM
There is no question Melo will be great playing with CP3 or LBJs of NBA.
He needs somebody with authority to put him in proper place and take all responsibility from his shoulders.
Melo is his name for the reason.
But his ego and all this celebs and agents around him messing up his little brain.
For them he is money-making object. So the man is trapped and helpless.
He will be good but never great player. Greatness will not make more money for all this bloodsuckers but tehy can lose controll.
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11/5/2013  4:44 PM
blkexec wrote:
dk7th wrote:melo has shown he is challenged when he has to express himself. in this instance he isn't being passive-- he is confused and over-thinking because his BBIQ is so dreadfully low. a big issue is he does not recognize the difference between a good shot and a potentially better shot for another. this has been his problem since he has been a knick, maybe his entire career.

he may be coming to terms with his inability to broaden his game, which is good news because he needs to take a paycut if he is finally realizing his substantial limitations.

This is what happens when u leave college early. His BBIQ never matured. 2 more yrs of college basketball wouldve did wonders for him. Or maybe he's just one of those low iq players with a low ceiling as a complete player. Just because you score more than anybody else doesn't make u a complete player. That's what's wrong with this young basketball generation. And that's the opposite of what I saw from lebron james at a young age. He was bigger than everybody but had a pg mentality that made everybody want to play with him at an early age. Melo has always been a gunner and never developed into anything else except to be an even better gunner.

He isn't even a better gunner than LeBron. Melo is a vastly overrated shooter if you can't do 50% from the floor you're and average shooter.

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11/5/2013  4:45 PM
my take on Melo is he's a dumb player. He has elite level talent and the ability to impact the game as elite players do. But he's dumb. You need only look at last year. Monster year and huge impact.

That being said he needs a true floor general to manage the ball. No suprise his best years where when Billups or Iverson had control of the ball.

At this point I blame the Knicks front office. It seems pretty easy to see Melo's shortcomings. What has been done to cover those? It seems the opposite. Rather than strengthen the roster's weaknesses they have set up a team that needs Melo to shoot more and more and more

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11/5/2013  4:46 PM
blkexec wrote:
dk7th wrote:melo has shown he is challenged when he has to express himself. in this instance he isn't being passive-- he is confused and over-thinking because his BBIQ is so dreadfully low. a big issue is he does not recognize the difference between a good shot and a potentially better shot for another. this has been his problem since he has been a knick, maybe his entire career.

he may be coming to terms with his inability to broaden his game, which is good news because he needs to take a paycut if he is finally realizing his substantial limitations.

This is what happens when u leave college early. His BBIQ never matured. 2 more yrs of college basketball wouldve did wonders for him. Or maybe he's just one of those low iq players with a low ceiling as a complete player. Just because you score more than anybody else doesn't make u a complete player. That's what's wrong with this young basketball generation. And that's the opposite of what I saw from lebron james at a young age. He was bigger than everybody but had a pg mentality that made everybody want to play with him at an early age. Melo has always been a gunner and never developed into anything else except to be an even better gunner.

yup. lets hope we see the ncaa grow a pair and start compensating their athletes in our lifetime.

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11/5/2013  4:52 PM
Panos wrote:Ok, I'm not a fan of Melo ball, but I've tried to steer clear of bashing him. But now I'm done:

“For myself, maybe I’m second-guessing myself,” Anthony conceded after practice Monday in Greenburgh. “Maybe I’m a little bit passive out there, trying to do things that (are) out of the norm and trying to make people better at the wrong times.
“That’s where I’m second-guessing myself and I’m second-guessing my shot — and ‘should I take this or should I pass this?’ I’ve got to get out of that mentality quick.”

Yeah, Melo, get that modicum of conscience out of your head before it just might take root!
I was at the game on Sunday, and let me tell you, passing was not Melo's problem. He just plain stunk through 3 quarters. Seriously, if you're gonna blame passing for your miserable performance just GTFOOH with that. You selfish little bastard.
And for those counting, all that claimed selflessness accounted for a grand total of 3, count 'em, 3 assists. Sucker. I'm done with this guy.

I hate Melo ball. I have repeatedly said its easy for elite teams to defend and the #1 reason Melo always fails in the playoffs.

MDA tried to make him more a facilitor and he failed. He tried to make him part of the regular offense and he refused. Now all Ive heard is how MDA was horrible and all his fault bla bla but here we are and Melo is still Melo and we have 1-3 in the playoffs.

Why are we waiting for Melo to change? How about getting one real PG instead of playing 2 half PGs at the same time? It clear the only way Melo improves is if someone else is making the decisions with the ball. We we dump Lin and bring back Felton, a guy who appears to be good enough to start on a lottery team or be a backup on a playoff team, only problem is he sucks as a backup

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11/5/2013  5:05 PM
fishmike wrote:At this point I blame the Knicks front office. It seems pretty easy to see Melo's shortcomings. What has been done to cover those? It seems the opposite. Rather than strengthen the roster's weaknesses they have set up a team that needs Melo to shoot more and more and more

Good point here ^

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11/5/2013  5:16 PM
fishmike wrote:my take on Melo is he's a dumb player. He has elite level talent and the ability to impact the game as elite players do. But he's dumb. You need only look at last year. Monster year and huge impact.

That being said he needs a true floor general to manage the ball. No suprise his best years where when Billups or Iverson had control of the ball.

So why is he a dumb player if he needs another talented skilled player (PG) to do what he can't do ?

Is he dumb when he plays on the Olympics or All-star team ?

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11/5/2013  5:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2013  5:22 PM
Panos wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Well it depends what Passive mean doesn't it? Passive as in getting more shots or passive in not driving.

Exacte.
As you watch Sunday's game, you just wonder why he wasn't driving the ball. The shot is not falling, ok, that's not your only move! Get to the hole, dammit!

He's not driving the ball because we lost 2 of our best 3pt shooters in Novak and Copeland, thus killing our spacing.
It's not that he doesn't want to, he just can't.

And I posted numerous times that I dislkie melo's game, but in this instance, my take is that our offense doesn't give him enough freedom to drive anymore.

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11/5/2013  5:53 PM
raven wrote:
Panos wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Well it depends what Passive mean doesn't it? Passive as in getting more shots or passive in not driving.

Exacte.
As you watch Sunday's game, you just wonder why he wasn't driving the ball. The shot is not falling, ok, that's not your only move! Get to the hole, dammit!

He's not driving the ball because we lost 2 of our best 3pt shooters in Novak and Copeland, thus killing our spacing.
It's not that he doesn't want to, he just can't.

And I posted numerous times that I dislkie melo's game, but in this instance, my take is that our offense doesn't give him enough freedom to drive anymore.

You will kill yourself trying to figure out which system works for Melo....When it should be the other way around. Does Melo fit the system?

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11/5/2013  6:06 PM
A 44% shooter has no business jacking up 22 shots a game. This year he is worse, I don't see how he will even get to 44% your looking at a repeat of MDA year of 43% or possibly worse. At least 7 of those shots should be given to someone with a higher percentage or distributed to the team.

I truly believe that Woody has only two supporter on the team and that is Melo and JR Smith. The rest of the team has basically tuned Woody out. That last time out spoke volumes about where the team is. In the playoffs Chandler and Shump called him out they complained about the offense.

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11/5/2013  6:38 PM
Vmart wrote:A 44% shooter has no business jacking up 22 shots a game. This year he is worse, I don't see how he will even get to 44% your looking at a repeat of MDA year of 43% or possibly worse. At least 7 of those shots should be given to someone with a higher percentage or distributed to the team.

I truly believe that Woody has only two supporter on the team and that is Melo and JR Smith. The rest of the team has basically tuned Woody out. That last time out spoke volumes about where the team is. In the playoffs Chandler and Shump called him out they complained about the offense.

Tyson trashed his teammates when he was playing horribly but I don't remember him saying anything about Woodson. I know Shump was struggling with his knee in the Pacers series but was able to play but I don't recall any criticism of Woodson. What did Shump say about Woodson and are you referring to different comments from Tyson?
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11/5/2013  7:06 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:A 44% shooter has no business jacking up 22 shots a game. This year he is worse, I don't see how he will even get to 44% your looking at a repeat of MDA year of 43% or possibly worse. At least 7 of those shots should be given to someone with a higher percentage or distributed to the team.

I truly believe that Woody has only two supporter on the team and that is Melo and JR Smith. The rest of the team has basically tuned Woody out. That last time out spoke volumes about where the team is. In the playoffs Chandler and Shump called him out they complained about the offense.

Tyson trashed his teammates when he was playing horribly but I don't remember him saying anything about Woodson. I know Shump was struggling with his knee in the Pacers series but was able to play but I don't recall any criticism of Woodson. What did Shump say about Woodson and are you referring to different comments from Tyson?

Chandler said that players are open, Melo took exception to that. In a way he was calling out Melo and Woodson for allowing to much Iso ball and Melo was taking bad shots. As for Shump he said something I believe after the Pacers series regarding the offense, really not sure on that though.

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11/5/2013  7:26 PM
blkexec wrote:
raven wrote:
Panos wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Well it depends what Passive mean doesn't it? Passive as in getting more shots or passive in not driving.

Exacte.
As you watch Sunday's game, you just wonder why he wasn't driving the ball. The shot is not falling, ok, that's not your only move! Get to the hole, dammit!

He's not driving the ball because we lost 2 of our best 3pt shooters in Novak and Copeland, thus killing our spacing.
It's not that he doesn't want to, he just can't.

And I posted numerous times that I dislkie melo's game, but in this instance, my take is that our offense doesn't give him enough freedom to drive anymore.

You will kill yourself trying to figure out which system works for Melo....When it should be the other way around. Does Melo fit the system?

I'm not trying to figure anything out. I hate Melo's game and dislike the guy, but my opinion is that the roster is making things worse than they were. Melo was at his best with many shooters around him to provide him with space, he doesn't have that anymore.

Things will get ugly soon.

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11/5/2013  7:34 PM
Agreed. Roster is clumsy as ever
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11/6/2013  2:57 AM
Panos wrote:Ok, I'm not a fan of Melo ball, but I've tried to steer clear of bashing him. But now I'm done:

“For myself, maybe I’m second-guessing myself,” Anthony conceded after practice Monday in Greenburgh. “Maybe I’m a little bit passive out there, trying to do things that (are) out of the norm and trying to make people better at the wrong times.
“That’s where I’m second-guessing myself and I’m second-guessing my shot — and ‘should I take this or should I pass this?’ I’ve got to get out of that mentality quick.”

Yeah, Melo, get that modicum of conscience out of your head before it just might take root!
I was at the game on Sunday, and let me tell you, passing was not Melo's problem. He just plain stunk through 3 quarters. Seriously, if you're gonna blame passing for your miserable performance just GTFOOH with that. You selfish little bastard.
And for those counting, all that claimed selflessness accounted for a grand total of 3, count 'em, 3 assists. Sucker. I'm done with this guy.


Hey Melo, how did getting out of the passing mentality thing work out today?

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11/6/2013  3:50 AM

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THIS IS WHY MELO IS NOT A SUPER STAR. If you are having these problems as an NBA player, then you're not ready for a Batman role....You are clearly Robin who plays better under a lead dog. Why you think Melo broke the 3pt stat and shooting percentage on the Olympic team? Because thats the role that fits his skill set. You guys don't want to hear this, but he would play better if he was in Bosh shoes, surrounded by Lebron and Wade. Sure anybody would play better, but Melo would probably break all kind of percentage and stat numbers.

When he has to be that lead superstar player, his game is reduced drastically, because it only highlights his flaws. Which is simple, he doesn't impact the game of basketball, if his shot isn't falling. And thats terrible for an NBA star. I've played with guys like this all the time....when they are not hitting, they are usless.....When they are on, they can win games for you. Thats not NY basetball.....We need our superstars to not be one trick ponys. And Melo only has one trick, and thats not changing anytime soon. Melo needs to pay cut, so we can get a real superstar with does more than just score buckets.
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I agree 100%. Hes a scorer and thats it. Hes a damn good one. Bring in a real pg wbo can create for others

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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