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Shump's play has been poor, even his D
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yellowboy90
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11/4/2013  12:58 PM
EnySpree wrote:I'm glad guys bright up Lance Stevenson because his development has been fantastic. Dude is a legit 2 guard in this league now. Shump is his peer and even though he's been hurt there hasn't been much evolution in his game. I'm starting to think the dude can't play. Yeah he can play defense, junk and shoot but he had no clue when to do either of these things. He needs more time and the Knicks are trying to win a championship.

The Knicks need to shop him around. Tim Hardaway Jr is on his level and in my opinion had a greater upside to be a starting calibur shooting guard. Toure Murry as well. Trade Shump now, start jr and use Toure and Tim as the back ups.


Well I wouldn't say Stevenson is a legit 2 guard because he can't shoot that well but he drives and finishes fairly well and he pushes the ball which I think that is what they have Shump doing. Yesterday I saw someone post that Shump TS is around 58% so far and was above 60% the last 24 games so that is promising. On top of that he is rebounding the ball.

It's 3 games into a very long season. To soon to make any judgements.

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blkexec
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11/4/2013  1:00 PM
tkf wrote:What is shumpert's role on this team? I think the knicks did nothing but confuse this kid. Young guys go through ups and downs. I think his defense has been vastly overrated around here. He is a willing and at times tenacious defender, but he gambles a lot, he reaches a lot as well. He still has a ways to go.. offensively his jumper looks better, but he needs to work on his playmaking skills. My hopes for him are to be where Lance Stephenson is.. Enough of this paul george lite BS talk.. lets get him to Lance level and we would be great with that.

This is why when it comes to building a team and developing young players, you have to be consistent when it comes to the type of role you are trying to get them to play. Honestly I have no clue what the knicks are doing with shumpert and I think it is more their fault than his...

Shumpert has the physical tools to be a lock down defender. The problem is that his defensive IQ and instincts hasn't matured or developed since leaving college. Thats something either comes early, comes late or never develops at all. But you need a solid culture around Shump to help develop that IQ, like the Spurs for example. Thats why they can take an average player and turn him into a solid rotation player or starter. Shumpert doesnt have that luxury in NY, unfortunately. I think he's still a keeper, but we have to temper our expectations and give him room to grow or trade him.

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11/4/2013  5:58 PM
There have never been concerns about Shump's athleticism or potential but his decision making was a big question mark at the draft. I remember reading that D'Antoni said Shump had the most impressive pre-draft workout he had ever seen. From draftnet.
Weaknesses: Lacks stability/discipline on the court ... Inconsistent … Not efficient at all ... Horrid shot-selection ... Liable to shoot at any time, even when being closely guarded ... Likes to shoot off the dribble on a good deal of his isolation possessions, despite only connecting on 20% of these attempts ... Shoots nearly 5 three pointers per game, despite only shooting 27.8% from behind the arc ... Will often go for the flashy play instead of the easy play, which can lead to unforced turnovers ... Very poor jump shooter, and hasn't shown any improvement in this area during his three-year career with Georgia Tech ... Needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective on offense and he certainly won't have as many isolation opportunities at the next level ... Should look to take advantage of his size and strength more in the post, but has yet to add this dimension to his game ... Attitude has been questioned in the past, but to his credit he appears to have matured over the past year ...

Overall: Shumpert has rare physical tools for a guard on any level of basketball ... His defense should get him on an NBA roster and possibly into a rotation, but his poor basketball IQ will certainly hurt his effectiveness ... Should be an early-mid second round pick this year

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11/4/2013  6:39 PM
The kids are trying to become stars before they become players..Their is a lot of hype around Shump about being an all star even before the first game..You heard Breen talk about it in the first game...Let the kid learn the game and not push him to be what we want him to be too soon...Tim Jr. is living the hype as well...Both players need to relax and come back to earth...The media needs to stop and let these kids grow...They need to stop forcing the action and let the game come to them...Melo is forcing the action as well...They are feeling the pressure to perform and are trying to do too much...When JR gets back, time on the bench will help Shump and Tim Jr.
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11/4/2013  7:31 PM
blkexec wrote:
tkf wrote:What is shumpert's role on this team? I think the knicks did nothing but confuse this kid. Young guys go through ups and downs. I think his defense has been vastly overrated around here. He is a willing and at times tenacious defender, but he gambles a lot, he reaches a lot as well. He still has a ways to go.. offensively his jumper looks better, but he needs to work on his playmaking skills. My hopes for him are to be where Lance Stephenson is.. Enough of this paul george lite BS talk.. lets get him to Lance level and we would be great with that.

This is why when it comes to building a team and developing young players, you have to be consistent when it comes to the type of role you are trying to get them to play. Honestly I have no clue what the knicks are doing with shumpert and I think it is more their fault than his...

Shumpert has the physical tools to be a lock down defender. The problem is that his defensive IQ and instincts hasn't matured or developed since leaving college. Thats something either comes early, comes late or never develops at all. But you need a solid culture around Shump to help develop that IQ, like the Spurs for example. Thats why they can take an average player and turn him into a solid rotation player or starter. Shumpert doesnt have that luxury in NY, unfortunately. I think he's still a keeper, but we have to temper our expectations and give him room to grow or trade him.

i infer from your insights that shumpert is doomed playing in new york. the knicks franchise is not an incubator it's an incinerator. i think his play thus far is an unspoken protest to the sickening culture that exists at msg, thanks to dolan and the people he attracts and favors.

just my two cents.

can we agree, blkexec, that this franchise is "not a model of intelligent management" as that douchebag david stern has asserted?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
Shump's play has been poor, even his D

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