We could be such a better team if Woody uses Melo to create more. But he has to draw it up, take advantage of it.

Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

Exactly

Not to crazy from what Ive seen, coaching wise, but its still too early in the season to panic

Vmart wrote:I don't think blaming the coach is the way to go the talent level just isn't there. This is not a very good team anyway you look at it. I don't know if JR Smith can change that. He is the second best player on the Knicks. Lets see what happens when he comes back.

I think you are WAY off base. You look at this team and it's loaded with talent, but they aren't even running basic NBA offense. Last year ball kept moving and they weren't turning it over like this. Guys are out there getting in each others way and looking lost. It's clear he has no handle on rotations which is somewhat understandable early but he clearly didn't spend enough time working with this team on the offensive concepts for this year with this roster. It's like he rolled the ball out there.

I simply can't excuse the fact that it appears Woody hasn't figured out a plan for how this was gonna work this year. He seems to think he can just figure it out over the 1st few weeks of the regular season. WHY. He's bringing back much of the core of the team from last year. He could quite simply run most of what they did last year if in doubt and he's not even doing that. His best unit from last year has barely played together so far this year. Even if he wants to start a different group he could still work his rotations so that he had plenty of time each game running his best unit.

It's early so can't panic, but it's VERY concerning that Woody looks this lost. It's almost like this is too much for him to handle. Woody seems to thrive with fewer options and prefers a simplified attack. I think this team should come out the gate with plenty of Ball and Player movement. It's really simple, but since WOody hasn't worked on ball and player movement enough this team is out there WINGING IT! No sets. Every once in a while you see a well run set that you can recognize. I was shocked when I saw them run a "scissors" play once. The plays are few and far between. That's the coach not the talent.

playa2 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:the guy we should be going after is STAN van gundy. give him whatever he wants to come here and let him put his stamp on the franchise. if he wants to keep melo and thinks he can coach melo, then do that.

Stan is a very gid coach. He coaches according to the trajectory he had and that's what we need

Shaq said that Stan Vandummy is a worry wort.

Is that a bad thing?

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't think blaming the coach is the way to go the talent level just isn't there. This is not a very good team anyway you look at it. I don't know if JR Smith can change that. He is the second best player on the Knicks. Lets see what happens when he comes back.

I think you are WAY off base. You look at this team and it's loaded with talent, but they aren't even running basic NBA offense. Last year ball kept moving and they weren't turning it over like this. Guys are out there getting in each others way and looking lost. It's clear he has no handle on rotations which is somewhat understandable early but he clearly didn't spend enough time working with this team on the offensive concepts for this year with this roster. It's like he rolled the ball out there.

I simply can't excuse the fact that it appears Woody hasn't figured out a plan for how this was gonna work this year. He seems to think he can just figure it out over the 1st few weeks of the regular season. WHY. He's bringing back much of the core of the team from last year. He could quite simply run most of what they did last year if in doubt and he's not even doing that. His best unit from last year has barely played together so far this year. Even if he wants to start a different group he could still work his rotations so that he had plenty of time each game running his best unit.

It's early so can't panic, but it's VERY concerning that Woody looks this lost. It's almost like this is too much for him to handle. Woody seems to thrive with fewer options and prefers a simplified attack. I think this team should come out the gate with plenty of Ball and Player movement. It's really simple, but since WOody hasn't worked on ball and player movement enough this team is out there WINGING IT! No sets. Every once in a while you see a well run set that you can recognize. I was shocked when I saw them run a "scissors" play once. The plays are few and far between. That's the coach not the talent.

Nix, if you are thinking about what the players did in the past then its a loaded team. In the present they are not what they use to be. If you are thinking about MWP that won the DPOY, he isn't that anymore, If you are thinking about the Bargs that averaged 20 points a game he isn't that. If you are thinking about Kenyon Martin that played for the Nets he is not that, Amare that played for the Suns and the first year with the Knicks well you can forget about that. If your referring to Shumpert, he hasn't found his way yet, or THJ he is a rookie still. Are you talking about Felton? Prigioni? Chandler?

JR Smith and Melo are the only talent on this team and one of them may go MIA any day. Someone please enlighten me because I don't see how the Knicks are talented.

But do we have a pg? The key to this team offensively and defensively

gunsnewing wrote:That's fair^

But do we have a pg? The key to this team offensively and defensively

No , but we do have adequate help at the position in ray, priggs, beno, obviously you would love to have there skills wrap in one body..

I personally think the knicks should go after rondo with anything boston wants except melo..He can be he icing on the cake for sure

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..

dk7th wrote:knick fans are now relying on jr smith to

1) restore order
2) help the team to gel
3) develop an identity

OMFG

No one said that. But to deny that the sixth man of the year and second leading scorer isn't important to a team and won't help is ridiculous. Sorry to weigh in on your burying the team three games into the season.