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helloharv
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11/4/2013  9:35 AM
BARGANI WAS 6-10 FOR 14 POINTS IN ONLY 18 MIN ---- and we are going to blame him for the Loss ?
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11/4/2013  9:41 AM
helloharv wrote:BARGANI WAS 6-10 FOR 14 POINTS IN ONLY 18 MIN ---- and we are going to blame him for the Loss ?

Just looking at his line is not a good way to justify him in the starting 5. Defense suffers severely when he's playing with the starters and the offense becomes stagnant, even if he is sinking shots. His role needs to be backup C. It's clear as day that the best lineup is Felton/Prigs/Shump/Melo/Chandler.

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11/4/2013  10:32 AM
i saw the first game with a bunch of degenerates from this board...but haven't seen the last two.

here's the most important thing to take away from bargnani...no matter how he plays,

-11
-9
-11

when he's on the court the past 3 games. this has been the case for all those losing seasons in toronto and now again in new york. there are some statistical anomalies and sometimes, just some bad luck...but it seems in this case, bargs IS the bad luck.

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11/4/2013  10:34 AM
Who cost us the Bulls game ? Bargs or Melo ?
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11/4/2013  10:42 AM
helloharv wrote:BARGANI WAS 6-10 FOR 14 POINTS IN ONLY 18 MIN ---- and we are going to blame him for the Loss ?

Right now I would say Woodson is lost. Its not about one player--its about the chemistry in the SL. We gave up two big leads game 2-3 and we let Milwaukee have a bi g run in game 1 start of 2dnperiod

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11/4/2013  10:44 AM
-31 in 61 mins of action. that's all kinds of nuts.

the team would be better with basically anybody else on the court.

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11/4/2013  11:07 AM
helloharv wrote:Who cost us the Bulls game ? Bargs or Melo ?

Woodson.

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11/4/2013  11:10 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
helloharv wrote:Who cost us the Bulls game ? Bargs or Melo ?

Woodson.

Woody missed 4 shots in a row in the last 2 min of the game and then had the ball with 4 seconds left and took a 25 footer?

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11/4/2013  11:11 AM
RonRon wrote:We gave up too much in the deal for Melo

We took on way too much salary, cap space/flexability, solid role players, draft picks, and that is why we are unable to build around Melo with the quality players needed

Look at what Harden and CP3 were acquired for, they didn't take on 40-60m in salaries and poor contracts that hinders their ability to still build a team around them with cap space alone
Instead we gave up the cap space, multiple draft picks, and players that had much higher value than what they were traded for

We overpayed for a want and not a need, that is why we have had to continue to overpay in trades for flawed players and vet min like contractsh

To spit with Melo, we need many quality players
We need a SF/PF with guard skills, ability to score inside and out, good speed snd athletisicm rebound, and the ability to defend 2-3 positions

A PG that can demand the trust and respect of Melo that can be a lockdown defender, play on and off the ball, hit a wide open 3pter, and penetrate and facilitate at a high efficient rate
Someone like CP3, at least a Jrue Holiday

A young Shawn Marion would be ideal, had we kept Wilson Chandler or Gallo, we would still have a chance to build a team with the right players to implement a philosophy that would work
Others like Battum, Parsons


2 PF/C, one that can play great team DEF with supreme mobility, athleticism, length, can score 1v1 down low and hit a 17 footer effectively


Another stretch 4/5 that can also defend and rebound at a efficient rate...


However all these type of players are rare skill sets that cost more than the average player salary
With JR, Iman, and Hardaway JR, we have 3 players that play the same position
We likely would need to trade one of these players for a SF/PF or a upgrade at PG

On top of all this we still have to wait till 2015 to retool, without overpaying for talent, especially for Melo
But getting some of the pieces now would allow us to fill in the holes in order to build a team, with the players needed to build a philosophy that would actually work vs playoff caliber teams
As of right now, we are a 3pt shooting team with many holes as a team

Thats been our problem since the Ewing days....Starting with overpaying A.Houston

This is NY, that should be enough to come play here. Thats your biggest selling point. Let these small market teams over pay for 1 dimensional players like Melo. Yes, he is 1 dimensional....Might be the best at that 1 dimension, but that 1 skill is not enough to carry a team. I give him credit for trying, but he is what he is!

So now what...We dug a hole with Melo and Amari...Can't fault anybody for trying. I wouldn't have done it, and I'm on record for saying that, as far as the Melo trade. I was ok with Amari, since we had Danfoni at the time. But we have to move forward and not repeat history. I just don't see Dolan letting Melo walk away. And I don't think we have the GM skills to trade Melo for a decent return. This owner and recent GM staff / coach do not know how to build a team. They only know how to collect stars and raise ticket sales. Building a team is a different skill set that doesn't need to have a collection of stars, eventhough it helps when you have 2-3 star players, like Miami. NY only have 1 semi star. I think Melo and Bosh are on the same level. If Melo played with Wade and Lebron, he would be in the same pecking order, as far as shots goes. He would be the 3rd wheel. But Dollan will pay Melo like he's on Lebron or Kobe's level. I just find it hard to put an elite title on a 1 dimensional player.

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11/4/2013  11:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2013  11:22 AM
helloharv wrote:BARGANI WAS 6-10 FOR 14 POINTS IN ONLY 18 MIN ---- and we are going to blame him for the Loss ?

Like most, I blame Woodson.

Artest really helps set the tone, as he did when he came in during the 2nd qtr (why the hell it took him so long, who knows) and played tough D, scored and the team picked up their intensity. Artest actually got up during the 1st to check in and Woody seemed to ignore him.

Who played the best D on Love yesterday? It seems like an easy answer to me and should justify him starting with Melo.

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11/4/2013  11:23 AM
helloharv wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
helloharv wrote:Who cost us the Bulls game ? Bargs or Melo ?

Woodson.

Woody missed 4 shots in a row in the last 2 min of the game and then had the ball with 4 seconds left and took a 25 footer?

No, but he has the power to who sits and who starts.

Bargs getting his shot down is nice, but doesn't do anything on the defensive end.

I think he has to start MWP over Bargs....if he wants to keep his job.

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11/4/2013  11:39 AM
djsunyc wrote:-31 in 61 mins of action. that's all kinds of nuts.

the team would be better with basically anybody else on the court.

I would repeat myself.
Bargs trade is much worth that Eddy Curry and Jerom James deals.
He should not play in NBA. His place is somwhere in Turkich lague.

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11/4/2013  1:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2013  1:16 PM
arkrud wrote:
djsunyc wrote:-31 in 61 mins of action. that's all kinds of nuts.

the team would be better with basically anybody else on the court.

I would repeat myself.
Bargs trade is much worth that Eddy Curry and Jerom James deals.
He should not play in NBA. His place is somwhere in Turkich lague.


Yeah, Novak at least does *something* well
Novak would be more like +31 for every 3 games
We should have been the ones getting the picks in this deal.
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11/4/2013  1:34 PM
Whelp...same big starting lineup tomorrow. Thanks Woody.
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11/4/2013  2:52 PM
@BQRMagic: Knicks defensive rating w/ Bargnani on bench: 82.6. Knicks defensive rating w/ Bargnani on floor: 113.1
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11/4/2013  4:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2013  4:02 PM
Don't know what game you guys were watching but we sucked early last night because the guards turned the ball over leading to a lot of easy transition baskets for Minnie. Our PG sucks. But sure blame Bargnani who actually looked decent

Tyson
Bargnani
Melo
Shump
prigioni

Look for a younger capable starting pg since Prigioni is old

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11/4/2013  6:10 PM
djsunyc wrote:i saw the first game with a bunch of degenerates from this board...but haven't seen the last two.

here's the most important thing to take away from bargnani...no matter how he plays,

-11
-9
-11

when he's on the court the past 3 games. this has been the case for all those losing seasons in toronto and now again in new york. there are some statistical anomalies and sometimes, just some bad luck...but it seems in this case, bargs IS the bad luck.

and as predicted... the "bargnani as the scapegoat and whipping boy for what ails the knicks" commences.

meanwhile:

"i want to see what it is like to be a free agent"-- carmelo anthony
"i expect the knicks to win a title this year"-- james dolan

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/4/2013  6:20 PM
dk7th wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i saw the first game with a bunch of degenerates from this board...but haven't seen the last two.

here's the most important thing to take away from bargnani...no matter how he plays,

-11
-9
-11

when he's on the court the past 3 games. this has been the case for all those losing seasons in toronto and now again in new york. there are some statistical anomalies and sometimes, just some bad luck...but it seems in this case, bargs IS the bad luck.

and as predicted... the "bargnani as the scapegoat and whipping boy for what ails the knicks" commences.

meanwhile:

"i want to see what it is like to be a free agent"-- carmelo anthony
"i expect the knicks to win a title this year"-- james dolan

Interesting. Is Bargs being scapegoated by fans? Links?
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11/4/2013  6:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2013  6:48 PM
arkrud wrote:
djsunyc wrote:-31 in 61 mins of action. that's all kinds of nuts.

the team would be better with basically anybody else on the court.

I would repeat myself.
Bargs trade is much worth that Eddy Curry and Jerom James deals.
He should not play in NBA. His place is somwhere in Turkich lague.

No way! As bad as the Bargnani trade has been so far we didn't trade Joakim Noah and LaMarcus Aldridge for 5 years of him like we did for Eddy Curry.

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11/4/2013  6:51 PM
The problem is that Woodson basically has to start the season like this since Dolan has said he expects us to compete for a championship. The only way that happens is if Bargs is able to morph into a #2, no pun intended, guy next to Melo. I would expect to see Bargnani given as many chances as possible through the first 20 or so games to turn his career around before Woodson is allowed to abandon him.
Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
Bargs starting isnt woking wont work and we will LOSE games if it continues

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