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gunsnewing
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11/4/2013  6:07 AM
Start Pablo and bench felton
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11/4/2013  8:07 AM
knickscity wrote:Good attempt, doubt it lasts.

The one I am concerned with is Tyson, I doubt the team will go the whole season allowing him to take jumpers, and when he isnt involved on offense he doesnt do his primary job.

To be honest we have way too much in the backcourt and kinda thin up front....I expect a deal to happen before the deadline.


I just can't buy Tyson sure he is playing well but I know when the Playoffs come his white blood cells will drop and he will start losing weight because its MAY and thats Flu Tyson time
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11/4/2013  8:08 AM
gunsnewing - Felton is too predictable on offense and plays with too much Charlie Ward hesitancy once he crosses halfcourt. He dribbles upright to midcourt, then crouches when he feels the first pressure and slows to a crawl outside of any rhythm of the set. He hesitates too much for my taste. At the recognition of shot clock issues, he presses the action, speeding into solo play.

The Knicks would flourish with a lead guard who can dictate pace, and dribble with his head up at all times. Due to a lack of height, and confidence in traffic, Felton cannot do that.

With that said, he still is one of our few "heart and soul" players who will give full effort every night.

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11/4/2013  8:17 AM
Nalod wrote:Does Hardaway Jr. really have the rookie cred card to shoot and keep shooting?

Now the expectation is higher given the promise of this rookie year, the flat top, the flashy shoes, his game is not living up to the hype.
Maybe he is pressing too much, not letting the game come to him? Too much pressure to put up numbers as millions is at stake for his next contract?

This thread is not about Melo, and neither are out problems.

Hardaway Jr has a golden opportunity! Pablo is a nice player, seems like a good dude. Just not a starter!

Hardaway Jr knows he wont play once Jr Smith comes back probably pressing to show something while he has the chance

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11/4/2013  9:22 AM
misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - Felton is too predictable on offense and plays with too much Charlie Ward hesitancy once he crosses halfcourt. He dribbles upright to midcourt, then crouches when he feels the first pressure and slows to a crawl outside of any rhythm of the set. He hesitates too much for my taste. At the recognition of shot clock issues, he presses the action, speeding into solo play.

The Knicks would flourish with a lead guard who can dictate pace, and dribble with his head up at all times. Due to a lack of height, and confidence in traffic, Felton cannot do that.

With that said, he still is one of our few "heart and soul" players who will give full effort every night.

I have been watching Felton on D and he make little to no effort to get over picks, even poorly set ones. It's awful

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11/4/2013  10:42 AM
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knickscity wrote:Good attempt, doubt it lasts.

The one I am concerned with is Tyson, I doubt the team will go the whole season allowing him to take jumpers, and when he isnt involved on offense he doesnt do his primary job.

To be honest we have way too much in the backcourt and kinda thin up front....I expect a deal to happen before the deadline.


I just can't buy Tyson sure he is playing well but I know when the Playoffs come his white blood cells will drop and he will start losing weight because its MAY and thats Flu Tyson time

Just to clear something up. WBC count goes up when sick.

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11/4/2013  10:45 AM
tj23 wrote:This offense also has a lot of growing to do. Like that cut by Shump early in the first when Bargs had the ball vs Minny, the dude ran right in his path. Too many miscommunications on both ends, particularly offense. We kept our turnovers down last year because we kept it SIMPLE, which is fine for a while but doestn work come playoff time. Yeah, you wont turn it over 20 times if "he" is standing there with the ball for 12 seconds...Sorry I mentioned "him". I like the sets were running. But this team has more growing to do. Lots more potential here than last year. Let's get it done. we got tons of vets.

The reason why it's sloppy is because our coach runs iso plays, so everybody stands around and watch because they are used to running iso offense, waiting to hopefully get an open pass. Bargs at one point, ran into the driving lane during an iso play, because bargs is new to this stagnant offense. But when we don't run iso plays, everybody begins to move around with some motion, in the case of Shump. You are coached as a little kid that if you want the ball, you have to keep moving. Usually people will pass it to a slashing player thats moving. And this is coming from myself who's always been known as an ISO player, because I had the skill to beat ANYBODY off the dribble, and a goog passer when doubled. Now that I'm 40 with two surgeries, I appreciate structure and pick and roll plays. It's a better offense for the entire team, vs standing around watching me. As you reach your 30, you have to understand that you can't beat everybody off the dribble like you used to.

Basically, we have a mixed bag of iso players, system players, slow players, low IQ players and a defensive assistant coach as the head coach. You can't fix lateral quickness over night. You can't fix low IQ players either. But you can put in some kind of structure that fits your current players. Shump is not a stand still spot up shooter (Novak is, but thats for another topic). Shump is a scorer that thrives on movement. Same with Hardaway and others like Udrih. But when they stand around most of the time, watching a certain player run iso plays....Or watching our PG and Center play two man ball.....The others are forced to stand around and watch......Turning them into spot up shooters, which they are not. It also deflates the teams energy when they continue to watch other play, but now have to sprint back and play defense. If we run ISO offense, maybe we should run ISO defense....Seems only fair to the other players that just stand around and watch others pound the ball during the entire shot clock.

I'm not against the system.....I'm against the disconnect between the players and the system. Either system or players have to go.....take your pick!

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11/4/2013  4:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2013  4:15 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Start Pablo and bench felton

Since we are sampling, Toure Murry might take advantage of an audition. His size is a plus. Tim Hardaway Jr is a confident rookie. In terms of compatibility, these two could fit together nicely.

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11/4/2013  4:17 PM
I'd give Murray a shot to start at pg. We would at the very least be better defensively

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11/4/2013  4:22 PM
blkexec - what about Shumpert and Tim Hardaway Jr in the BBC?

Both are gazelles and have decent basketball comprehension.

Care to identify the low IQ players you speak of?

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11/4/2013  4:23 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I'd give Murray a shot to start at pg. We would at the very least be better defensively

Murraysanity

I can live with Murry making a few rookie mistakes. I am totally spent by the time game ends and Felton has made bad decision after same bad decision while not working on the defensive end.

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11/4/2013  4:33 PM
Yea but it's wishful thinking. For whatever reason Woodson is in love with starting Felton eve though he admits to his lack of pg skills by starting Kidd and prigioni alongside him. Woodson already said Melo Tyson and Raymond are the only penciled in starters before the season started. I get the feeling the Knicks feel if they bench Felton they are admitting they f'd up on Lin.

You play like crap and don't defend on too of it you should be benched period

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