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Moonangie
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11/3/2013  9:57 AM
holfresh wrote:I don't even pay attention to Amare when he is on the court..It's like he isn't even there..He is done...Melo says he is trying to recruit players to come here...Maybe he thinks/knows Amare will retire if he can't go this season..

Wishful thinking? This would be a very respectful thing for Amare to do, particularly since he will still get paid. Doubt it helps our cap situation, but his contract will be expiring anyway.

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11/3/2013  10:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/3/2013  10:31 AM
when i saw this i was very worried as well...but wait a minute now:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2013/10/26/5031792/mike-woodson-amare-stoudemire-kenyon-martin-alternate-back-to-back

The Knicks are taking special care of two men whose legs have been known to stop working now and then. Amar'e Stoudemire and Kenyon Martin will have their minutes monitored all season long. Woodson has hinted at a back-to-back strategy before, and he confirmed it at practice Saturday
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11/3/2013  12:25 PM
Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't even pay attention to Amare when he is on the court..It's like he isn't even there..He is done...Melo says he is trying to recruit players to come here...Maybe he thinks/knows Amare will retire if he can't go this season..

Wishful thinking? This would be a very respectful thing for Amare to do, particularly since he will still get paid. Doubt it helps our cap situation, but his contract will be expiring anyway.

The respectful thing for him to do is cut a deal with Dolan to work in the Garden the next few years and get paid the balance of his contract...His deal expires next year ...We can't improve until he is gone..What's happening with him is very disruptive..Woodson has to find time for him because of his contract..

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11/3/2013  12:59 PM
I don't see the big deal, if anything it's the knicks Brass who's holding him back, there just looking out for there investment. I'm assuming they want to see him go a couple months without any set backs before they get a good feel him. It's pretty ridiculous to watch him play mini minutes, but if they think bringing him along slowly will get him to a consistent 20/25 minutes for the rest of his contract and he could be productive, ill take it.

He's far from where Allan Houston was right before he retired..

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11/3/2013  1:03 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I don't see the big deal, if anything it's the knicks Brass who's holding him back, there just looking out for there investment. I'm assuming they want to see him go a couple months without any set backs before they get a good feel him. It's pretty ridiculous to watch him play mini minutes, but if they think bringing him along slowly will get him to a consistent 20/25 minutes for the rest of his contract and he could be productive, ill take it.

He's far from where Allan Houston was right before he retired..

He has given us half of a season of production on a five year deal...

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11/3/2013  1:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/3/2013  1:15 PM
I'd like for him to find a doctor that would diagnose his injuries as career-ending because they pretty much are if he can only play 10 min every other game. This way he could retire and his money would come off the books but I think he'd still get paid. That's the only win-win. Him retiring without a doctor diagnosing him would be nice because we wouldn't have to deal with his distractions anymore but it wouldn't help our cap so all we'd be doing is limiting our options (but perhaps that's preferable to Woodson switching him in and out games for only 10 minutes of burn, constantly disrupting our offense).


I think the Knicks should play him 20-25 minutes a night because 1) you get whatever ability he has left for a little while so that he actually helps us win a few games. 2) Once he goes down from playing those minutes you can more easily find a doctor to diagnose him as "done" because it will be proof he can't play nba minutes without injury.


What is so disruptive about this amare thing is that it's not like we're nursing our star player back to health so that he can dominate again. This is not preparation for amare, this is who he is at this point so why waste any minutes on him using Woodson's strategy if you know the situation will never improve? It's best to just cut your losses and have him go hard or go home.

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11/3/2013  1:40 PM
holfresh wrote:
He has given us half of a season of production on a five year deal...

so changing the culture of a franchise doesn't account for nothing, to me it seems ppl are more on "what have you done for me lately" rather than "look what you started"

and is it amare can only play 10/12 minutes or is it, they only want me to play 10/12 minutes fearing the worst..

I agree with him going somewhere and getting a second opinion, but will the knicks ever allow that with the kind of contract he has.

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11/3/2013  1:45 PM
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Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't even pay attention to Amare when he is on the court..It's like he isn't even there..He is done...Melo says he is trying to recruit players to come here...Maybe he thinks/knows Amare will retire if he can't go this season..

Wishful thinking? This would be a very respectful thing for Amare to do, particularly since he will still get paid. Doubt it helps our cap situation, but his contract will be expiring anyway.

The respectful thing for him to do is cut a deal with Dolan to work in the Garden the next few years and get paid the balance of his contract...His deal expires next year ...We can't improve until he is gone..What's happening with him is very disruptive..Woodson has to find time for him because of his contract..

So you want him to be an indentured servant to Dolan to make up for his contract? What?! I mean I think his contract is a monumental burden on the franchise and there's no way he's lived up to it in any way, but just because a guy gets injured doesn't mean he has to stick around with the franchise to pay off his debts or something. Amar'e the Peanut vendor, I can see it now! It's not like he has any great knowledge to pass down basketball-wise either- "Listen up team, if you use your freak athleticism to drop buckets and be phenomenal no one will pay attention to your defense!".

Besides, I can't imagine a worse punishment than servitude to Jimmy Dolan.

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11/3/2013  1:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/3/2013  2:03 PM
Dagger wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't even pay attention to Amare when he is on the court..It's like he isn't even there..He is done...Melo says he is trying to recruit players to come here...Maybe he thinks/knows Amare will retire if he can't go this season..

Wishful thinking? This would be a very respectful thing for Amare to do, particularly since he will still get paid. Doubt it helps our cap situation, but his contract will be expiring anyway.

The respectful thing for him to do is cut a deal with Dolan to work in the Garden the next few years and get paid the balance of his contract...His deal expires next year ...We can't improve until he is gone..What's happening with him is very disruptive..Woodson has to find time for him because of his contract..

So you want him to be an indentured servant to Dolan to make up for his contract? What?! I mean I think his contract is a monumental burden on the franchise and there's no way he's lived up to it in any way, but just because a guy gets injured doesn't mean he has to stick around with the franchise to pay off his debts or something. Amar'e the Peanut vendor, I can see it now! It's not like he has any great knowledge to pass down basketball-wise either- "Listen up team, if you use your freak athleticism to drop buckets and be phenomenal no one will pay attention to your defense!".

Besides, I can't imagine a worse punishment than servitude to Jimmy Dolan.


Trying to earn the balance of the 45 million dollars owed in the front office without being an anvil around the team's neck the next two years is now an indentured servant?? You think H20, Starks, LJ, and Herb feels they are Dolan's servants??..If you are not independent wealthy, you have to answer to someone...

I'll sign up for some indentured servant type work at the Garden for a tenth of that contract..
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11/3/2013  2:01 PM
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loweyecue wrote:Is there any any evidence at all that he actually NEEDS rest? Or are we now buying he Knicks PR? Amare wont play becuase Woodson won't play him.

Really, it's because Woodson won't play him and not because he has fragile knees?

He has always had fragile that didnt change between the last game he played and this game Woodson wont play him.

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11/3/2013  2:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/3/2013  2:07 PM
holfresh wrote:
Dagger wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't even pay attention to Amare when he is on the court..It's like he isn't even there..He is done...Melo says he is trying to recruit players to come here...Maybe he thinks/knows Amare will retire if he can't go this season..

Wishful thinking? This would be a very respectful thing for Amare to do, particularly since he will still get paid. Doubt it helps our cap situation, but his contract will be expiring anyway.

The respectful thing for him to do is cut a deal with Dolan to work in the Garden the next few years and get paid the balance of his contract...His deal expires next year ...We can't improve until he is gone..What's happening with him is very disruptive..Woodson has to find time for him because of his contract..

So you want him to be an indentured servant to Dolan to make up for his contract? What?! I mean I think his contract is a monumental burden on the franchise and there's no way he's lived up to it in any way, but just because a guy gets injured doesn't mean he has to stick around with the franchise to pay off his debts or something. Amar'e the Peanut vendor, I can see it now! It's not like he has any great knowledge to pass down basketball-wise either- "Listen up team, if you use your freak athleticism to drop buckets and be phenomenal no one will pay attention to your defense!".

Besides, I can't imagine a worse punishment than servitude to Jimmy Dolan.


Trying to earn the balance of the 45 million dollars owed in the front office without being an anvil around the team's neck the next two years is now an indentured servant?? You think H20, Starks, LJ, and Herb feels they are Dolan's servants??..If you are not independent wealthy, you have to answer to someone...

Not at all, I think they are all want to be employees of the Knicks organization. Their situations are not at all like amare going to Dolan and cutting a deal to work for him because he hasn't fulfilled his salary.

Besides, what you suggested is clear salary cap circumvention, it would be investigated immediately.

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11/3/2013  2:09 PM
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holfresh wrote:
Dagger wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't even pay attention to Amare when he is on the court..It's like he isn't even there..He is done...Melo says he is trying to recruit players to come here...Maybe he thinks/knows Amare will retire if he can't go this season..

Wishful thinking? This would be a very respectful thing for Amare to do, particularly since he will still get paid. Doubt it helps our cap situation, but his contract will be expiring anyway.

The respectful thing for him to do is cut a deal with Dolan to work in the Garden the next few years and get paid the balance of his contract...His deal expires next year ...We can't improve until he is gone..What's happening with him is very disruptive..Woodson has to find time for him because of his contract..

So you want him to be an indentured servant to Dolan to make up for his contract? What?! I mean I think his contract is a monumental burden on the franchise and there's no way he's lived up to it in any way, but just because a guy gets injured doesn't mean he has to stick around with the franchise to pay off his debts or something. Amar'e the Peanut vendor, I can see it now! It's not like he has any great knowledge to pass down basketball-wise either- "Listen up team, if you use your freak athleticism to drop buckets and be phenomenal no one will pay attention to your defense!".

Besides, I can't imagine a worse punishment than servitude to Jimmy Dolan.


Trying to earn the balance of the 45 million dollars owed in the front office without being an anvil around the team's neck the next two years is now an indentured servant?? You think H20, Starks, LJ, and Herb feels they are Dolan's servants??..If you are not independent wealthy, you have to answer to someone...

Not at all, I think they are all want to be employees of the Knicks organization. Their situations are not at all like amare going to Dolan and cutting a deal to work for him because he hasn't fulfilled his salary.

I never presented it as punishment for not fulfilling one's contract but as a relief for the team's cap situation..I think there are worse things in life than working at MSG...

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11/3/2013  2:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/3/2013  2:16 PM
holfresh wrote:
Dagger wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Dagger wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
holfresh wrote:I don't even pay attention to Amare when he is on the court..It's like he isn't even there..He is done...Melo says he is trying to recruit players to come here...Maybe he thinks/knows Amare will retire if he can't go this season..

Wishful thinking? This would be a very respectful thing for Amare to do, particularly since he will still get paid. Doubt it helps our cap situation, but his contract will be expiring anyway.

The respectful thing for him to do is cut a deal with Dolan to work in the Garden the next few years and get paid the balance of his contract...His deal expires next year ...We can't improve until he is gone..What's happening with him is very disruptive..Woodson has to find time for him because of his contract..

So you want him to be an indentured servant to Dolan to make up for his contract? What?! I mean I think his contract is a monumental burden on the franchise and there's no way he's lived up to it in any way, but just because a guy gets injured doesn't mean he has to stick around with the franchise to pay off his debts or something. Amar'e the Peanut vendor, I can see it now! It's not like he has any great knowledge to pass down basketball-wise either- "Listen up team, if you use your freak athleticism to drop buckets and be phenomenal no one will pay attention to your defense!".

Besides, I can't imagine a worse punishment than servitude to Jimmy Dolan.


Trying to earn the balance of the 45 million dollars owed in the front office without being an anvil around the team's neck the next two years is now an indentured servant?? You think H20, Starks, LJ, and Herb feels they are Dolan's servants??..If you are not independent wealthy, you have to answer to someone...

Not at all, I think they are all want to be employees of the Knicks organization. Their situations are not at all like amare going to Dolan and cutting a deal to work for him because he hasn't fulfilled his salary.

I never presented it as punishment for not fulfilling one's contract but as a relief for the team's cap situation..I think there are worse things in life than working at MSG...

Then I misinterpreted what you were originally saying. Nevertheless, as I said above that would be obvious salary cap circumvention and would not work. I don't think working at MSG would be bad at all, but answering personally to Dolan and dealing with his demands would be quite irksome in my opinion. I would be willing to look past it for a high-up job at the garden though, it is MSG after all!

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11/4/2013  8:33 AM
the only way that this makes any sense is if this is the way they are bringing him back slowly- and that eventually, he plays more.

But they probably would be better not even playing him, and just bringing him back by playing him during practice/scrimmage. And if this were baseball, rehab with the NBDL- which I know he can't.

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11/4/2013  8:41 AM
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holfresh wrote:
He has given us half of a season of production on a five year deal...

so changing the culture of a franchise doesn't account for nothing, to me it seems ppl are more on "what have you done for me lately" rather than "look what you started"

and is it amare can only play 10/12 minutes or is it, they only want me to play 10/12 minutes fearing the worst..

I agree with him going somewhere and getting a second opinion, but will the knicks ever allow that with the kind of contract he has.

He didnt change anything all he did was take the most money he was offered. Im not putting him on a pedestal for that
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11/4/2013  10:10 AM
You're really surprised that Stat's minutes are being cut back? Beats running him into the ground before the all star break. He's most likely untradeable, he takes up a spot, we lost most of our bigs off the bench last season to injury, Woodson wants as many live bodies as possible for when the playoffs come around. Its definitely not an ideal situation.
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11/4/2013  10:33 AM
GustavBahler wrote:You're really surprised that Stat's minutes are being cut back? Beats running him into the ground before the all star break. He's most likely untradeable, he takes up a spot, we lost most of our bigs off the bench last season to injury, Woodson wants as many live bodies as possible for when the playoffs come around. Its definitely not an ideal situation.

They keep playing like this Woody won't have to worry about playoffs.

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11/5/2013  9:39 AM
Maybe Woodson learned from watching what Boozer did against Stat that he didn't want to watch Pecovik and Love possibly go for 100 between them?

I'm betting Stat will not be playing against Memphis, either.

Minutes restriction meets Scary Front Line restriction.

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11/5/2013  10:16 AM
jrodmc wrote:Maybe Woodson learned from watching what Boozer did against Stat that he didn't want to watch Pecovik and Love possibly go for 100 between them?

I'm betting Stat will not be playing against Memphis, either.

Minutes restriction meets Scary Front Line restriction.

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