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Woodson is right..Knicks have to go big...
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holfresh
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11/2/2013  9:23 PM
Bro, you are turning every thread into a Melo bashing session..When does it get old??
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11/2/2013  9:50 PM
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:Bargs and artest are key. Regardless if bargs plays or not....the other teams pf must leave the paint and play defense. Its about our team chemistry on both ends. So far iso ball and melo forcing his offense is our biggest weakness. It deflats the team overall. Even if he's hot. Too much standing and no movement which hurts offensive chemistry. Melo is the best and worse player to have if he's your best player. Woody needs to create quick plays for melo. Melo needs to stop forcing against elite defenders. Thats when he should run pick and rolls with chandler or barbs.

woodson can tell melo to make quicker decisions but that does not mean melo will do that.

pretty sure karl tried and d'antoni tried... nothing

woodson will success where they have failed or maybe we just admit melo is just not a good decision-maker period. he's had ten years to develop but has basically flatlined.

take the last play in chicago. he gets the ball with five+ seconds left and waits a full two seconds, maybe three before launching. he has to to put the ball on the floor right away but no-- we get a 25-foot brick instead from downtown when a two-point basket or a pair of free throws will do.

but you're right melo is much more effective off of screens, especially two brush screens going from right to left free throw line extended. the other shot he excels at is that spin move to the right baseline from about 12-15 feet out. woodson should be drawing up those sorts of plays in endgame situations. take the decision-making out of melo's hands!


That's actually quite the opposite of what D'antoni did so I don't know what you mean by "D'antoni tried"...
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11/3/2013  5:10 AM
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dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:Bargs and artest are key. Regardless if bargs plays or not....the other teams pf must leave the paint and play defense. Its about our team chemistry on both ends. So far iso ball and melo forcing his offense is our biggest weakness. It deflats the team overall. Even if he's hot. Too much standing and no movement which hurts offensive chemistry. Melo is the best and worse player to have if he's your best player. Woody needs to create quick plays for melo. Melo needs to stop forcing against elite defenders. Thats when he should run pick and rolls with chandler or barbs.

woodson can tell melo to make quicker decisions but that does not mean melo will do that.

pretty sure karl tried and d'antoni tried... nothing

woodson will success where they have failed or maybe we just admit melo is just not a good decision-maker period. he's had ten years to develop but has basically flatlined.

take the last play in chicago. he gets the ball with five+ seconds left and waits a full two seconds, maybe three before launching. he has to to put the ball on the floor right away but no-- we get a 25-foot brick instead from downtown when a two-point basket or a pair of free throws will do.

but you're right melo is much more effective off of screens, especially two brush screens going from right to left free throw line extended. the other shot he excels at is that spin move to the right baseline from about 12-15 feet out. woodson should be drawing up those sorts of plays in endgame situations. take the decision-making out of melo's hands!


That's actually quite the opposite of what D'antoni did so I don't know what you mean by "D'antoni tried"...

Yep, D'antoni was the one who said Melo should be a triple double threat, after we got swept against Boston.

Ironically though, Woody is doing with Melo the exact same thing D'antoni did....only difference Woody has two pg's on the floor to assist with ball movement, but neither truly runs the offense when Melo is one the coiurt.

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11/3/2013  6:38 AM
Ok blame me for turning this into a melo bashing thread. But I think the reason why our big lineup won't work is because of melo and woodsons offense. That's why our small lineup worked last year. Instead of going to the source to fix the ball movement problem, woody uses the two guard lineup to cover up our flaws on offense. With a big lineup, we become slower, score less in transistion, run more iso melo plays, no lateral movement to play man defense, and a stagnant offense that leads to long jumpers and fast breaks for the other team.
If we go big, gotta play more zone defense and woody needs more half court sets and movement. I saw one time melo had an iso play, but bargs ran his man into melos driving lane. Forced melo to take a tough fadeaway. Not going to work against athletic young defensive teams. I don't fault bargs for trying not to be stagnant, and have more movement. Melo is not lebron or kobe who knows how to create their own shot against good defenders without settling on a jumper. But melo is the best second star in the nba, when paired up with a lead dog that doesn't rely on jumpers to impact the game. Sorry but big lineup success falls on melo and woodson.
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11/3/2013  7:32 AM
blkexec wrote:Ok blame me for turning this into a melo bashing thread. But I think the reason why our big lineup won't work is because of melo and woodsons offense. That's why our small lineup worked last year. Instead of going to the source to fix the ball movement problem, woody uses the two guard lineup to cover up our flaws on offense. With a big lineup, we become slower, score less in transistion, run more iso melo plays, no lateral movement to play man defense, and a stagnant offense that leads to long jumpers and fast breaks for the other team.
If we go big, gotta play more zone defense and woody needs more half court sets and movement. I saw one time melo had an iso play, but bargs ran his man into melos driving lane. Forced melo to take a tough fadeaway. Not going to work against athletic young defensive teams. I don't fault bargs for trying not to be stagnant, and have more movement. Melo is not lebron or kobe who knows how to create their own shot against good defenders without settling on a jumper. But melo is the best second star in the nba, when paired up with a lead dog that doesn't rely on jumpers to impact the game. Sorry but big lineup success falls on melo and woodson.

This might be the worst time to criticize the big lineup.

It's looked good overall, the offense has looked shaky because of no three point threat.

If MWP and H-jr lead our team in 3pt%, our offense wont look good.

The starters have done nothing with the three ball but miss, and even their 2pt % has been dismal.

But that should even out, the main focus should be the turnovers.

They miss Jason Kidd.

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11/3/2013  8:17 AM
Bargs is the perfect player for us to spread out these big teams
Woodson is right..Knicks have to go big...

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