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Did we jump the gun getting rid of Novak?
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tkf
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11/2/2013  11:54 AM
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tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:No. Super bad contract that interferes with 2015 goals.

WHAT 2015 goals?

i'm guessing rondo/love is the plan with melo.

LOL.. jeez we still on that pipe dream?

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Clean
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11/2/2013  12:00 PM
tkf wrote:
Clean wrote:
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:No. Super bad contract that interferes with 2015 goals.

WHAT 2015 goals?

i'm guessing rondo/love is the plan with melo.

LOL.. jeez we still on that pipe dream?

I don't think it is a dream like Lebron was. I think they are just making space to be prepared if it is a possibility.

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11/2/2013  5:28 PM
Fri, Nov 1

Steve Novak (back) is on the inactive list for Friday's game.

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11/5/2013  9:26 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Fri, Nov 1

Steve Novak (back) is on the inactive list for Friday's game.

Whoever he was going to be guarding must be sending him get well cards.

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11/5/2013  9:59 AM
I like that guy's take (v-4 from Reddit):

Let's say that Bargnani takes the exact same shots that Novak took last season -- 4.3 threes and one two pointer.

Novak was able to score 6.6 points on those shots.

Based on Bargnani's career #s, which are far better than his more recent #s, Bargnani would score 5.5 points on those same shots. That means in limited minutes he'll have to add A LOT in other ways whether it's driving to the hoop more or playing defense (LOL). To illustrate, let's say Bargnani takes 5 other shots, all drives to the rim, and he takes those shots because they are better than any other shot the Knicks could have gotten on those possessions.

Last year, the KNicks averaged about 1.09 points per possession, but we'll say that Bargnani only takes those extra 5 shots on possessions that would otherwise have led to a subpar shot. We'll say his shots are replacing possessions that would have averaged 1 PPP, so the Knicks would have scored 5 points on those 5 possessions with their 12/13 team. To make up the 1.1 points we lose from Bargnani's inferior 3 point shooting, Bargnani would have to score then 6.1 points on those extra possessions, which equates to a TS% of 61%, which would make Bargnani an elite scorer. He would be the most efficient perimeter player the Knicks have had in my adult life, right up there with Tony Parker, Lebron and Durant as best in the league.


Back to Novak:

If you compare the Knicks' 3 pt % to Novak's minutes, it's almost a linear relationship, and the Knicks win differential is quite closely tied to their 3 pt %.

November:

Novak MPG: 23.2

Knick win differential/100 possessions: +10.5

Knick 3pt %: 41.6

December:

Novak MPG: 26.7

Knick win differential/100 possessions: +2.9

Knick 3pt %: 37.1

January:

Novak MPG: 19.0

Knick win differential/100 possessions: +2.5

Knick 3pt %: 36.0

February:

Novak MPG: 13.6

Knick win differential/100 possessions: +3.2

Knick 3pt %: 33.5

March:

NOvak MPG: 17.0

Knick win differential/100 possessions: +5.0

Knick 3pt %: 37.0

April:

NOvak MPG: 21.5

Knick win differential/100 possessions: +5.8

Knick 3pt %: 40.0

The only outlier month is December, when the Knicks struggled with a number of other issues -- Anthony and Kidd both had injury problems and towards the end, so did Felton.

So what does that tell me? It tells me that a system is dependent on having players who can fill the roles that that system demands, and the Knicks now have only one guy who over the last three seasons has been an above average 3 point shooter, and that guy is JR Smith, who will most definitely miss time and may struggle for a while after he returns. What are teams going to do when those minutes go to subpar shooters like Bargnani, MWP, and Udrih? They're going to put more pressure on guys like Felton and especially Anthony. The system won't work anymore because as I'm sure you know, there is no magic bullet system that automatically upgrades a player's shooting 3 point percentage.

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11/5/2013  10:13 AM
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:No. Super bad contract that interferes with 2015 goals.

That's ridiculous. It was so urgent to get out of the $3 mil owed to him 3 years from now that we had to give up one first round and three total draft picks?! We had potentially $50 mil in cap room. It was really that urgent to build it up to $53 or so mil?!

i find it hilarious that those who keep talking about this mythical 2015 cap space are also the ones that are endorsing maxing out carmelo... can't have both...

please help me find poster who both think that the Knicks will max out melo and use the 2015 cap space. I can't find them.

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11/5/2013  10:35 AM
Problem with bargs over Novak you must play him because of the contract size and expectations.
And this means team will suck when he is on the court (-11 for now).
Novak became close to 0 player. Bargs is hige minus.
If Woodson will need to win games to save his life Bargs will need to be benched.
But in grand schema of things this is irrelavant.
Without playmaking PG (and felton is not the one) players like Novak and Bargs are waste of space.
Novak will be great on any team with great PG who can break the defense and kick the ball out for open 3.
When we get read on Lin and get Felton Novak became useless active immidiately.
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11/5/2013  10:51 AM
martin wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:No. Super bad contract that interferes with 2015 goals.

That's ridiculous. It was so urgent to get out of the $3 mil owed to him 3 years from now that we had to give up one first round and three total draft picks?! We had potentially $50 mil in cap room. It was really that urgent to build it up to $53 or so mil?!

i find it hilarious that those who keep talking about this mythical 2015 cap space are also the ones that are endorsing maxing out carmelo... can't have both...

please help me find poster who both think that the Knicks will max out melo and use the 2015 cap space. I can't find them.

It's okay. I'm sure they exist in "reality".

Did we jump the gun getting rid of Novak?

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