gunsnewing wrote:You see TKF I usually lean towards having the dominant big man to secure championship contention. Duncan Shaq KG Dream Ewing(got close) but sometimes you get these special wing players like Jordan Pippen Kobe Lebron Wade Rose(possibly) who can overcome size with their special one of a kind greatness

but carmelo is not those guys guys. .if he were we would not be looking for these types of guys to help him get out of the first round.....

It is simple.. carmelo is not Jordan, kobe, wade, lebron, Durant, pippen, etc.. yes those guys are special multidimensional players... so I don't see where you are going here.. unless you feel carmelo is that, how does your example apply?

I would love to have one of those special wing players.. let me know when they become available.... I can't wait..

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I'm fairly confident that with players around him he will be more of a playmaker close to Chris Paul's level. The things he does offensively at a role 21yrs of age right now is special. He is more Derrick rose offensively than Chris Paul. That is the guy you pair Melo up with. Melo played well with Iverson the ultimate ball hog. If he ever had a chance to play with Kyrie WOW just WOW

I don't agree.. that is the type of guy you pair up blake griffin, kevin love, paul george, with... guys who will compliment... kyrie is not going to want to play ballsitter, bringing the ball up court just to hand it to carmelo standing there with his arm out waiting for a pass...

Based on his history with iverson and billups, i think a player like Irving would be the ideal fit next to Melo.

really? I don't think kyrie is anything like those two.

but since you feel that way, why didn't denver go out of their way to keep them together?

why did we amnesty billups?

why???? BAsed on history of course? why?

this thought of trying to find an ideal fit next to carmelo after 13 years is crazy.... if he is good enough, he would be the ideal fit for others.. he isn't.. that is the problem at 20+ mil.

Denver tried all they could to keep Melo and Billups together on the Nuggets. When Melo forced his way out, Billups was stuck in no-man's land as an aging star on a retooling team and had to be included in the trade from Denver's POV. We decided to let him go because his decline and injuries made him no longer a good option going forward to build with. A slightly younger Billups would not have been amnestied.

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I'm fairly confident that with players around him he will be more of a playmaker close to Chris Paul's level. The things he does offensively at a role 21yrs of age right now is special. He is more Derrick rose offensively than Chris Paul. That is the guy you pair Melo up with. Melo played well with Iverson the ultimate ball hog. If he ever had a chance to play with Kyrie WOW just WOW

I don't agree.. that is the type of guy you pair up blake griffin, kevin love, paul george, with... guys who will compliment... kyrie is not going to want to play ballsitter, bringing the ball up court just to hand it to carmelo standing there with his arm out waiting for a pass...

Based on his history with iverson and billups, i think a player like Irving would be the ideal fit next to Melo.

really? I don't think kyrie is anything like those two.

but since you feel that way, why didn't denver go out of their way to keep them together?

why did we amnesty billups?

why???? BAsed on history of course? why?

this thought of trying to find an ideal fit next to carmelo after 13 years is crazy.... if he is good enough, he would be the ideal fit for others.. he isn't.. that is the problem at 20+ mil.

Denver tried all they could to keep Melo and Billups together on the Nuggets. When Melo forced his way out, Billups was stuck in no-man's land as an aging star on a retooling team and had to be included in the trade from Denver's POV. We decided to let him go because his decline and injuries made him no longer a good option going forward to build with. A slightly younger Billups would not have been amnestied.

looking at all of this, doesn't it come to mind that it is almost impossible to build around this guy and pay him 20 mil? you don't get a kyrie to make carmelo work, you get kyrie to be the face of your franchise and build a champion around him... at best with iverson and carmelo, it was limited their success and the same with billups, and how good was it really if carmelo wanted to leave denver.. I mean didn't he see how beneficial it was to have billups? again, I think that is being overstated, and if not, then you must question carmelo's desire to actually win...

Don't you see the logic, shouldn't have carmelo been like damn, I finally have a guy I can win with.. i want to do whatever I can to stay and win? right? well tell me, why would he want to leave? why not try to convince denver to add another piece, or convince them that he was a year away...

carmelo came to NY and said this was the best group of guys he played with in his career... so something doesn't fit with you guys theory...

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I'm fairly confident that with players around him he will be more of a playmaker close to Chris Paul's level. The things he does offensively at a role 21yrs of age right now is special. He is more Derrick rose offensively than Chris Paul. That is the guy you pair Melo up with. Melo played well with Iverson the ultimate ball hog. If he ever had a chance to play with Kyrie WOW just WOW

I don't agree.. that is the type of guy you pair up blake griffin, kevin love, paul george, with... guys who will compliment... kyrie is not going to want to play ballsitter, bringing the ball up court just to hand it to carmelo standing there with his arm out waiting for a pass...

Based on his history with iverson and billups, i think a player like Irving would be the ideal fit next to Melo.

really? I don't think kyrie is anything like those two.

but since you feel that way, why didn't denver go out of their way to keep them together?

why did we amnesty billups?

why???? BAsed on history of course? why?

this thought of trying to find an ideal fit next to carmelo after 13 years is crazy.... if he is good enough, he would be the ideal fit for others.. he isn't.. that is the problem at 20+ mil.

Denver tried all they could to keep Melo and Billups together on the Nuggets. When Melo forced his way out, Billups was stuck in no-man's land as an aging star on a retooling team and had to be included in the trade from Denver's POV. We decided to let him go because his decline and injuries made him no longer a good option going forward to build with. A slightly younger Billups would not have been amnestied.

looking at all of this, doesn't it come to mind that it is almost impossible to build around this guy and pay him 20 mil? you don't get a kyrie to make carmelo work, you get kyrie to be the face of your franchise and build a champion around him... at best with iverson and carmelo, it was limited their success and the same with billups, and how good was it really if carmelo wanted to leave denver.. I mean didn't he see how beneficial it was to have billups? again, I think that is being overstated, and if not, then you must question carmelo's desire to actually win...

Don't you see the logic, shouldn't have carmelo been like damn, I finally have a guy I can win with.. i want to do whatever I can to stay and win? right? well tell me, why would he want to leave? why not try to convince denver to add another piece, or convince them that he was a year away...

carmelo came to NY and said this was the best group of guys he played with in his career... so something doesn't fit with you guys theory...

I think any player has a right to go where he will be happy. I was very successful in my last job, but i left because i wanted to find a better fit for my lifestyle. So can't fault Melo there. And as for the quotes, those are coming from the newspaper, he will say what he has to in order to satisfy the questions. You need a guy like Kyrie (he is just one example of many) to build with Melo, just like you need Wade and Bosh for Lebron, Westbrook for Durant (who have yet to get there), Gasol or Shaq for Kobe, etc. Melo had Billups at the tail end of his prime, same with Iverson.

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

it would be.. durant and westbrook are close to complete players..

kyrie may get there of course but he can't cover up for carmelo's flaws and paying carmelo 20 mil a year, shouldn't have to..

Andrew wrote:These Uncle Drew vids have lost the entertainment value that they once had for me. Didn't find this latest one interesting at all.

TeamBall wrote:

Andrew wrote:These Uncle Drew vids have lost the entertainment value that they once had for me. Didn't find this latest one interesting at all.

Agreed. The only thing keeping me watching all the way through was trying to figure out who the player was.

They would be more interesting if they were real. Like those professor spiderman clips. The players are good enough for them to do it for real. You would just have to change up the way you pick teams a bit. Instead of having the old guy picks teams just a plant in the crowd so the people don't get suspicious or see who will be playing until right before it starts. Things like this work better when he gets legit reactions from the people watching.

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

it would be.. durant and westbrook are close to complete players..

kyrie may get there of course but he can't cover up for carmelo's flaws and paying carmelo 20 mil a year, shouldn't have to..

So say we let Melo walk. We bring in Kyrie hypothetically. Are we bringing in Lebron and Durant too? Or are we rolling with Kyrie and Alridge? Aldridge is as flawed as Melo and maybe even more flawed. Same with Kevin love

Point is there is only one Lebron

I will take a chance with Melo and Kyrie.

However still requires that the Knicks front office lays out a plan. Walsh is not there this time so I have very little faith in Dolan and Mills.

Melo takes the max and we strike out in free agency again and can't afford to get Melo help then it will be see you in a decade