knickscity wrote:The package used to acquire Bargnani could have secured Dragic.

Thats why you just dont rush.

I'm sure Shumpert still has their eye though, not sure I'd do it unless JR and Felton go out as well.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:The package used to acquire Bargnani could have secured Dragic.

Thats why you just dont rush.

I'm sure Shumpert still has their eye though, not sure I'd do it unless JR and Felton go out as well.

Are you kidding? They are trying to dump salary and Novak is on the books for 3 more years. Camby was owed 7.5 million. Not sure what he was bought out for.

Thank you. The ONLY value we gave up were the 2nd round picks, and even that I feel was offset by the extra year we knocked off the salary cap. No way you're getting Phoenix to take on the extra salary and dump one of their few bright spots.

CrushAlot wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Haven't been following the Suns -- how has Eric Bledsoe looked? Man, that's the PG I really want this offseason. There were a couple of others but this is the guy I wanted..

I read some comments that were very positive about him. I believe that we're by his coach. I haven't seen the suns but it sounds like Kendall Marshall will be waived by the wiz.

Comments? I had him on my fantasy radar all last season:

guy is gonna DROP CRAZY BUCKETS THIS YEAR, "MOST IMPROVED PLAYER"

(HINT: DRAFT HIM IN ALL YOUR DRAFTS)

knickscity wrote:The package used to acquire Bargnani could have secured Dragic.

Thats why you just dont rush.

I'm sure Shumpert still has their eye though, not sure I'd do it unless JR and Felton go out as well.

Yep just what we needed- a sixth PG on the Roster! So your front court would have been:

C- Tyson, Aldrich
PF- K-Mart (who's also backing up Tyson) and Amar'e who will likely alternate games and have a 10 to 20min cap
SF- Melo, Metta
SG- Shump, JR, Hardaway Jr
PG- Dragic, Felton, Prigs, Beno, Murray, Chris Smith

You realize that having 4 mediocre PGs doesn't actually mean you have a great PG? Glad you're not our GM!

Back when Lin left I wished we'd been able to trade him for Dragic or Lowry, but to be honest neither of them had great years last season.

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:The package used to acquire Bargnani could have secured Dragic.

Thats why you just dont rush.

I'm sure Shumpert still has their eye though, not sure I'd do it unless JR and Felton go out as well.

Yep just what we needed- a sixth PG on the Roster! So your front court would have been:

C- Tyson, Aldrich
PF- K-Mart (who's also backing up Tyson) and Amar'e who will likely alternate games and have a 10 to 20min cap
SF- Melo, Metta
SG- Shump, JR, Hardaway Jr
PG- Dragic, Felton, Prigs, Beno, Murray, Chris Smith

You realize that having 4 mediocre PGs doesn't actually mean you have a great PG? Glad you're not our GM!

Back when Lin left I wished we'd been able to trade him for Dragic or Lowry, but to be honest neither of them had great years last season.

Read my post, my man....jr and felton are out in my scenario....they're traded.

Dragic is a legit starter unlike any of our other pg's....I'm not looking for a great pg, I'm looking at one who can do their job fulltime....say what you will Dragic played very well considering that team was absolutely awful.

The pg rotation would be simply Dragic with Pablo as his backup...Beno subs for Pablo to keep him fresh.

The sg roatation is Shump with Hardaway as his backup and Murray to spell in if we go small for a stretch.

And if we had to trade Shump to get Dragic, I'd look into finding a decent sg who can make outside shots and play decent defense, which is literally littered all over the league.

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:The package used to acquire Bargnani could have secured Dragic.

Thats why you just dont rush.

I'm sure Shumpert still has their eye though, not sure I'd do it unless JR and Felton go out as well.

Yep just what we needed- a sixth PG on the Roster! So your front court would have been:

C- Tyson, Aldrich
PF- K-Mart (who's also backing up Tyson) and Amar'e who will likely alternate games and have a 10 to 20min cap
SF- Melo, Metta
SG- Shump, JR, Hardaway Jr
PG- Dragic, Felton, Prigs, Beno, Murray, Chris Smith

You realize that having 4 mediocre PGs doesn't actually mean you have a great PG? Glad you're not our GM!

Back when Lin left I wished we'd been able to trade him for Dragic or Lowry, but to be honest neither of them had great years last season.

Read my post, my man....jr and felton are out in my scenario....they're traded.

Dragic is a legit starter unlike any of our other pg's....I'm not looking for a great pg, I'm looking at one who can do their job fulltime....say what you will Dragic played very well considering that team was absolutely awful.

The pg rotation would be simply Dragic with Pablo as his backup...Beno subs for Pablo to keep him fresh.

The sg roatation is Shump with Hardaway as his backup and Murray to spell in if we go small for a stretch.

And if we had to trade Shump to get Dragic, I'd look into finding a decent sg who can make outside shots and play decent defense, which is literally littered all over the league.

I read the first line of your original post and responded with emotion- it was the ultimateknicks forum equivalent of JR's elbow to Jason Terry's face!

I still think you're overrating Dragic- he's not really an upgrade from Felton. He looked great for one season, but outside of that he's been poor to average.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:The package used to acquire Bargnani could have secured Dragic.

Thats why you just dont rush.

I'm sure Shumpert still has their eye though, not sure I'd do it unless JR and Felton go out as well.

Are you kidding? They are trying to dump salary and Novak is on the books for 3 more years. Camby was owed 7.5 million. Not sure what he was bought out for.

What are you talking about? Camby's deal was frontloaded and his third year is only 1 mil guaranteed.

He was scheduled to make 2.7 this season with a total of just over 3.5 mil left on his deal.....thats why Toronto accepted him, and when he got bought out, he gave up 2 mil of that....so he basically walked away with the team owing virtually NOTHING.

Phx accepts that all day.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/raptors.jsp

And as far as Novak goes, just look at what Phx is doing now, bught out Beasley for basically the same amount he was due...in essence...paid to walk away.

Here is how you work Novaks deal, pay him THIS season, waive him on the next.....stretch his deal to the tune of 1 mil for the next three.

Then they get the same draft picks as a coup.

The point is though...you wait, tree leaves are supposed to fall off, but it rarely happens in the summer, wait til the season starts.

Its nice that you can figure out how it works for the Knicks but the Bargs trade was done in part to get rid of Novak's three year deal. Okafor's deal is done after this year. Novak has this year and two more after that. Camby's third year was cap friendly but not as cap friendly as what the suns are looking for, especially if you add a salary cap boat anchor contract like Novak's to the deal. Also, I don't see any teams trading for a contract they are planning on using the stretch provision for. Trashing the Knicks is fine but keep it real.

The Bargnani deal was done for one reason...to keep Melo happy since he needs more help scoring.

Camby is done, Houston might actually get something for that.

I'm very aware of what Novaks deal is and that deal can be STRETCHED once waived, and do you seriously believe Phx really cares about something like that? They paid Beasley way more to walk away.

Waiting for a better deal isn't trashing the Knicks, they do that fine on their own....as long as I see Chris Smith on the bench the team should be trashed, fined, and disbarred.

The point is...if Dragic gets moved I guarantee it will be for less than what we gave up for Bargnani.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:The package used to acquire Bargnani could have secured Dragic.

Thats why you just dont rush.

I'm sure Shumpert still has their eye though, not sure I'd do it unless JR and Felton go out as well.

Are you kidding? They are trying to dump salary and Novak is on the books for 3 more years. Camby was owed 7.5 million. Not sure what he was bought out for.

What are you talking about? Camby's deal was frontloaded and his third year is only 1 mil guaranteed.

He was scheduled to make 2.7 this season with a total of just over 3.5 mil left on his deal.....thats why Toronto accepted him, and when he got bought out, he gave up 2 mil of that....so he basically walked away with the team owing virtually NOTHING.

Phx accepts that all day.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/raptors.jsp

And as far as Novak goes, just look at what Phx is doing now, bught out Beasley for basically the same amount he was due...in essence...paid to walk away.

Here is how you work Novaks deal, pay him THIS season, waive him on the next.....stretch his deal to the tune of 1 mil for the next three.

Then they get the same draft picks as a coup.

The point is though...you wait, tree leaves are supposed to fall off, but it rarely happens in the summer, wait til the season starts.

Its nice that you can figure out how it works for the Knicks but the Bargs trade was done in part to get rid of Novak's three year deal. Okafor's deal is done after this year. Novak has this year and two more after that. Camby's third year was cap friendly but not as cap friendly as what the suns are looking for, especially if you add a salary cap boat anchor contract like Novak's to the deal. Also, I don't see any teams trading for a contract they are planning on using the stretch provision for. Trashing the Knicks is fine but keep it real.

The Bargnani deal was done for one reason...to keep Melo happy since he needs more help scoring.

Camby is done, Houston might actually get something for that.

I'm very aware of what Novaks deal is and that deal can be STRETCHED once waived, and do you seriously believe Phx really cares about something like that? They paid Beasley way more to walk away.

Waiting for a better deal isn't trashing the Knicks, they do that fine on their own....as long as I see Chris Smith on the bench the team should be trashed, fined, and disbarred.

The point is...if Dragic gets moved I guarantee it will be for less than what we gave up for Bargnani.

Absolutely, Phoenix cares about something like that. Robert Sarver is one of the cheapest owners in the league. The guy has sold away draft picks that could've been used to select Rajon Rondo, David Lee, Monta Ellis, Ersan Ilyasova and/or Rudy Fernandez. Them letting Beasley go isn't reflective of Sarver's spending habits; it is more than exception to the rule.

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:The package used to acquire Bargnani could have secured Dragic.

Thats why you just dont rush.

I'm sure Shumpert still has their eye though, not sure I'd do it unless JR and Felton go out as well.

Are you kidding? They are trying to dump salary and Novak is on the books for 3 more years. Camby was owed 7.5 million. Not sure what he was bought out for.

What are you talking about? Camby's deal was frontloaded and his third year is only 1 mil guaranteed.

He was scheduled to make 2.7 this season with a total of just over 3.5 mil left on his deal.....thats why Toronto accepted him, and when he got bought out, he gave up 2 mil of that....so he basically walked away with the team owing virtually NOTHING.

Phx accepts that all day.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/raptors.jsp

And as far as Novak goes, just look at what Phx is doing now, bught out Beasley for basically the same amount he was due...in essence...paid to walk away.

Here is how you work Novaks deal, pay him THIS season, waive him on the next.....stretch his deal to the tune of 1 mil for the next three.

Then they get the same draft picks as a coup.

The point is though...you wait, tree leaves are supposed to fall off, but it rarely happens in the summer, wait til the season starts.

Its nice that you can figure out how it works for the Knicks but the Bargs trade was done in part to get rid of Novak's three year deal. Okafor's deal is done after this year. Novak has this year and two more after that. Camby's third year was cap friendly but not as cap friendly as what the suns are looking for, especially if you add a salary cap boat anchor contract like Novak's to the deal. Also, I don't see any teams trading for a contract they are planning on using the stretch provision for. Trashing the Knicks is fine but keep it real.

The Bargnani deal was done for one reason...to keep Melo happy since he needs more help scoring.

Camby is done, Houston might actually get something for that.

I'm very aware of what Novaks deal is and that deal can be STRETCHED once waived, and do you seriously believe Phx really cares about something like that? They paid Beasley way more to walk away.

Waiting for a better deal isn't trashing the Knicks, they do that fine on their own....as long as I see Chris Smith on the bench the team should be trashed, fined, and disbarred.

The point is...if Dragic gets moved I guarantee it will be for less than what we gave up for Bargnani.

Absolutely, Phoenix cares about something like that. Robert Sarver is one of the cheapest owners in the league. The guy has sold away draft picks that could've been used to select Rajon Rondo, David Lee, Monta Ellis, Ersan Ilyasova and/or Rudy Fernandez. Them letting Beasley go isn't reflective of Sarver's spending habits; it is more than exception to the rule.

Nope, they've done quite the opposite, they overpay marginal talent.

In 2010, the Phoenix Suns did anything but lay low. After losing Amare Stoudemire and GM Steve Kerr, the Suns quickly signed "Amare Lite" Hakim Warrick to an $18 million deal less than 24 hours later on July 2. With the die cast, the Suns showed the world they were all in for a 2010 bondo job. Within ten days, they had signed Josh Childress for $35 million and traded for Hedo Turkoglu's monster contract. All before a new front office was hired to manage the team going forward.

"On July 1, 2012, the first day of free agency, the Suns visited their top free agent target, Michael Beasley, and offered $18 million over three seasons. They envisioned Beasley in his perfect incarnation - a dialed-in, matured small forward who could carry the scoring load for the offensively-challenged Suns.

By July 4, the Suns had traded Steve Nash for 4 draft picks, got verbal agreement to sign Goran Dragic for up to $34 million, Beasley for up to $18 million and made a restricted free-agent offer to SG Eric Gordon for $48 million. That's $100 million committed within four days of free agency, folks."

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/7/2/4486248/phoenix-suns-offseason-on-track-need-to-take-it-slow-in-free-agency

The only "exception" is they dont spend on odd years.

Even so, the Suns have consistently managed to stay below the league average as far as payrolls are concerned. This season,they have the 27th highest payroll in the league. I have to admit though that I forgot about those terrible contracts they signed after losing Amar're. Maybe Sarver is just stupid, lol.