smackeddog wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

OH if Amare can give us 25 min a game for the whole season and play offs I will say just pay him for his last season with a smile.

25 minutes?? i would love just 15, at 15 a game he can drop efficient buckets for us

your not going to get much out of amare at 15 minutes, it has to me 22 to 25 mins for him to really have an impact..

alright give me 18

Woody's been talking about 10 or 15 minutes now for a while. No idea what the heck he can do in that time, but Amar'e said his goal is to become the most efficient player in the league.

he can do a lot i think in 15 minutes,

that's more than a quarter of ball,

just taking a glance at his stats last year, he had to be one of the most efficient players in the league,

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of ankle injury still needs rehabbing 4 or 5 months later?

I had a high ankle sprain playing bball when I was 30. Took 3-4 months on crutches and then a cane for another one. Doctor said that sometimes an ankle sprain is worse than a break.

Gustav, quick question about rotator cuff surgery. I need it on both arms and I was told I couldn't do push ups, bench press etc. after I had the surgery. Was yours successful? I still have shoulder pain at times but can do everything except the exercises they told me I wouldn't be able to do post surgery.

I didn't have an MRI on my shoulder until about 6 months after the injury. At that point the doctor told me that it was around a 40 percent tear. Was told the threshold was 50 percent for surgery so they gave me cortisone for the pain and sent me on my way. Doctor said that I should build the muscles around the rotator cuff and that's what I've been doing for the last few months and now the pain is gone. When you're cleared to workout again I would think about doing more reps with less weight. That's what I've been doing and I still get in a good workout.

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of ankle injury still needs rehabbing 4 or 5 months later?

I had a high ankle sprain playing bball when I was 30. Took 3-4 months on crutches and then a cane for another one. Doctor said that sometimes an ankle sprain is worse than a break.

Gustav, quick question about rotator cuff surgery. I need it on both arms and I was told I couldn't do push ups, bench press etc. after I had the surgery. Was yours successful? I still have shoulder pain at times but can do everything except the exercises they told me I wouldn't be able to do post surgery.

I didn't have an MRI on my shoulder until about 6 months after the injury. At that point the doctor told me that it was around a 40 percent tear. Was told the threshold was 50 percent for surgery so they gave me cortisone for the pain and sent me on my way. Doctor said that I should build the muscles around the rotator cuff and that's what I've been doing for the last few months and now the pain is gone. When you're cleared to workout again I would think about doing more reps with less weight. That's what I've been doing and I still get in a good workout.

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:
Does anyone know what kind of ankle injury still needs rehabbing 4 or 5 months later?

I had a high ankle sprain playing bball when I was 30. Took 3-4 months on crutches and then a cane for another one. Doctor said that sometimes an ankle sprain is worse than a break.

Gustav, quick question about rotator cuff surgery. I need it on both arms and I was told I couldn't do push ups, bench press etc. after I had the surgery. Was yours successful? I still have shoulder pain at times but can do everything except the exercises they told me I wouldn't be able to do post surgery.

I didn't have an MRI on my shoulder until about 6 months after the injury. At that point the doctor told me that it was around a 40 percent tear. Was told the threshold was 50 percent for surgery so they gave me cortisone for the pain and sent me on my way. Doctor said that I should build the muscles around the rotator cuff and that's what I've been doing for the last few months and now the pain is gone. When you're cleared to workout again I would think about doing more reps with less weight. That's what I've been doing and I still get in a good workout.

Thanks. I have had surgeries for other things and the results have been mixed. I was leaning against surgery because many of the things that I would want to do post surgery I was told that I couldn't.

I have a torn labrum in my right shoulder and basically did the same thing - no surgery, built up muscles, and am back in the gym. I haven't pushed it with the weight, just doing lower weight to get some strength back. I feel decent, still get sore from time to time but I think this rout is better than surgery if you can avoid it.

MaTT4281 wrote:Man, watched that Amar'e Stoudemire: In the Moment documentary on NetFlix last night. Can't help but feel bad for the guy with all the injuries he's dealt with. I know we can't exactly count on him at this point, but stats aside, just want to see the man stay healthy for a year.

I guess the documentary did its job...it's a pity piece about a dude that makes 100 million dollars for doing nothing. I'd like for amare to return and help the team, but it's very doubtful he will have any meaningful contributions. I can't blame amare for injury but I don't think he should be looked at as some tragic hero...

MaTT4281 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Man, watched that Amar'e Stoudemire: In the Moment documentary on NetFlix last night. Can't help but feel bad for the guy with all the injuries he's dealt with. I know we can't exactly count on him at this point, but stats aside, just want to see the man stay healthy for a year.

I guess the documentary did its job...it's a pity piece about a dude that makes 100 million dollars for doing nothing. I'd like for amare to return and help the team, but it's very doubtful he will have any meaningful contributions. I can't blame amare for injury but I don't think he should be looked at as some tragic hero...

No one's calling him a hero, but it's not exactly like STAT is sitting on his ass just waiting for the paychecks. Criticize his defense, complain about the contract, whatever, but definitely can't accuse the guy of not putting in the work to come back or better his game.

At the end of the day, this is all just a game. I don't consider anyone in professional sports "worth" their contracts. I do, however, feel bad for the man's health and wish him well.

I know people defend him because they think he is a hard-worker, but in my mind defense and effort are tied together, you can't have one without the other, so when I see him letting dudes drive right past him to score it is not effort in my book. I don't expect him to play lockdown d, but there is a certain level of defense every player should be able to achieve if they are disciplined and focused, and amare's defense is not there. I'm also not a fan of him throwing his former coaches under the bus for not "teaching him defense" after he's been in the league 10 years, that is just a ridiculous statement on many levels.

One thing I do admire about Amare is his determination however. It definitely took a lot to overcome that retina injury and the micro fracture surgery to his knees, I won't doubt he is strong-spirited. But determination off the court and full effort on the court (playing both sides of the ball) are two different things. I'd say he is a tough, emotionally resilient person, but I would never call him a "warrior" on the basketball court as so many do.

MaTT4281 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Man, watched that Amar'e Stoudemire: In the Moment documentary on NetFlix last night. Can't help but feel bad for the guy with all the injuries he's dealt with. I know we can't exactly count on him at this point, but stats aside, just want to see the man stay healthy for a year.

I guess the documentary did its job...it's a pity piece about a dude that makes 100 million dollars for doing nothing. I'd like for amare to return and help the team, but it's very doubtful he will have any meaningful contributions. I can't blame amare for injury but I don't think he should be looked at as some tragic hero...

No one's calling him a hero, but it's not exactly like STAT is sitting on his ass just waiting for the paychecks. Criticize his defense, complain about the contract, whatever, but definitely can't accuse the guy of not putting in the work to come back or better his game.

At the end of the day, this is all just a game. I don't consider anyone in professional sports "worth" their contracts. I do, however, feel bad for the man's health and wish him well.

I like Amar'e a lot- he has a fantastic work ethic and he used to be a beast. But he's at the stage Allan Houston was at- people forget, but back in the day Houston got a roasting and a lot of criticism simply because he couldn't get healthy and Dolan had overpaid him. I think it's just frustration and disappointment that he can't play- it's not his fault, just like it wasn't Houstons.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Kmart is this year's Rasheed. Only now it's "sore ankle" not "sore foot"

I think they are saving him for the spring. I honestly don't think the post micro fracture surgery guys can hold up for long. Kenyon had both of his knees done.

Actually isn't already a victory for KMart to have played such a long career. The same goes for Kidd. Considering how long ago STAT had his Micro Fracture he did very well also. We just tend not to have a realistic expectation when it comes to these guys. STAT was actually on our playoff teams in his 1st and 2nd yr and it wasn't his Knees that held him back. Only last year was directly an issue with his knee. His chances aren't great that he can stay healthy an entire season, but i'd love to see the guy be healthy for the playoffs this year. Woody is gonna have to have a good plan of rest for him to be able to make it.

You going to love watching him never box out anybody near the basket? Or not jump to grab a board. Or follow his cover 2 steps before dropping off him and letting Tyson deal with it? Or missing wide open mid-rangers?

I hope he returns to the form he brought in his first season with the Knicks. Anything else will be a puke-fest. He has looked washed up ever since that season.

Dagger wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Man, watched that Amar'e Stoudemire: In the Moment documentary on NetFlix last night. Can't help but feel bad for the guy with all the injuries he's dealt with. I know we can't exactly count on him at this point, but stats aside, just want to see the man stay healthy for a year.

I guess the documentary did its job...it's a pity piece about a dude that makes 100 million dollars for doing nothing. I'd like for amare to return and help the team, but it's very doubtful he will have any meaningful contributions. I can't blame amare for injury but I don't think he should be looked at as some tragic hero...

No one's calling him a hero, but it's not exactly like STAT is sitting on his ass just waiting for the paychecks. Criticize his defense, complain about the contract, whatever, but definitely can't accuse the guy of not putting in the work to come back or better his game.

At the end of the day, this is all just a game. I don't consider anyone in professional sports "worth" their contracts. I do, however, feel bad for the man's health and wish him well.

I know people defend him because they think he is a hard-worker, but in my mind defense and effort are tied together, you can't have one without the other, so when I see him letting dudes drive right past him to score it is not effort in my book. I don't expect him to play lockdown d, but there is a certain level of defense every player should be able to achieve if they are disciplined and focused, and amare's defense is not there. I'm also not a fan of him throwing his former coaches under the bus for not "teaching him defense" after he's been in the league 10 years, that is just a ridiculous statement on many levels.

One thing I do admire about Amare is his determination however. It definitely took a lot to overcome that retina injury and the micro fracture surgery to his knees, I won't doubt he is strong-spirited. But determination off the court and full effort on the court (playing both sides of the ball) are two different things. I'd say he is a tough, emotionally resilient person, but I would never call him a "warrior" on the basketball court as so many do.