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IronWillGiroud
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10/18/2013  7:29 PM
I thought Tyson was throwing some games, this was one of them.

I don't think the refs rig games.

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10/18/2013  7:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/18/2013  7:43 PM
So now we are gonna blame the refs for getting beat. Bad calls or not The Pacers desreved to win as much as i hate to admit it. they kicked our ass even tyson Chandler said it. The Knicks played great the first 3 games against Boston then they started to go downhill. I mean we almost blew a 3-0 series lead to a depleted Celtic team. So the point is no it wasnt rigged Indiana just were the better team
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10/18/2013  8:08 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:So now we are gonna blame the refs for getting beat. Bad calls or not The Pacers desreved to win as much as i hate to admit it. they kicked our ass even tyson Chandler said it. The Knicks played great the first 3 games against Boston then they started to go downhill. I mean we almost blew a 3-0 series lead to a depleted Celtic team. So the point is no it wasnt rigged Indiana just were the better team

The calls swing momentum,sometime that's all you need.

This is all you need to know right here.
http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

From my earliest involvement with Bavetta, I learned that he likes to keep games close, and that when a team gets down by double-digit points, he helps the players save face. He accomplishes this act of mercy by quietly, and frequently, blowing the whistle on the team that's having the better night. Team fouls suddenly become one-sided between the contestants, and the score begins to tighten up. That's the way Dick Bavetta referees a game — and everyone in the league knew it.

Crawford wanted the game over quickly so he could kick back, relax, and have a beer; [Dick Bavetta] wanted it to keep going so he could hear his name on TV. He actually paid an American Airlines employee to watch all the games he worked and write down everything the TV commentators said about him. No matter how late the game was over, he'd wake her up for a full report. He loved the attention.

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10/18/2013  8:11 PM
http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=183772

“With David Stern it’s all about superstars and money,” said Donaghy. “He made the decision long ago to sell the league as entertainment. Only one team can win a title, but people will still come out to see a show. So a show is what Stern wants, and a show is what the referees help give the fans. So, did the NBA actually pre-determine the outcome of games? I guess it depends on how you define things.”

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10/18/2013  8:14 PM
Wow. I forgot how much that sucked last spring. The series was definitely impacted by how the refs called Hibbert's game. There definitely were a lot of momentum killing, questionable foul calls. One other thing, it appears Kenyon was a marked man in that series. The fouls he was getting called for were no fouls or play on situations.
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10/18/2013  8:14 PM
playa2 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:So now we are gonna blame the refs for getting beat. Bad calls or not The Pacers desreved to win as much as i hate to admit it. they kicked our ass even tyson Chandler said it. The Knicks played great the first 3 games against Boston then they started to go downhill. I mean we almost blew a 3-0 series lead to a depleted Celtic team. So the point is no it wasnt rigged Indiana just were the better team

The calls swing momentum,sometime that's all you need.

This is all you need to know right here.
http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

From my earliest involvement with Bavetta, I learned that he likes to keep games close, and that when a team gets down by double-digit points, he helps the players save face. He accomplishes this act of mercy by quietly, and frequently, blowing the whistle on the team that's having the better night. Team fouls suddenly become one-sided between the contestants, and the score begins to tighten up. That's the way Dick Bavetta referees a game — and everyone in the league knew it.

Crawford wanted the game over quickly so he could kick back, relax, and have a beer; [Dick Bavetta] wanted it to keep going so he could hear his name on TV. He actually paid an American Airlines employee to watch all the games he worked and write down everything the TV commentators said about him. No matter how late the game was over, he'd wake her up for a full report. He loved the attention.

If they really wnated to make money they would have tried to get Knicks vs Heat and Lebron vs melo in the ECF. Again Indy was the better team in the series.
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Former NBA referee Tim Donaghy will be released from prison on June 17, 2009. Donaghy, convicted for betting on professional basketball is serving a 15-month sentence at the federal prison camp in Pensacola, Florida. Donaghy’s release date has recently been in question due to concerns about his medical condition. Donaghy was injured during an assault in November of 2008. During the assault, another inmate claiming ties to the New York mob beat Donaghy with a heavy object. Donaghy suffered severe knee and leg injuries that will require surgery. Donaghy will complete his prison term at a halfway house in Tampa Florida.


Rats usually get treated this way for snitching, well then he must have been telling the TRUTH

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10/18/2013  10:21 PM
the martin foul: smith and then melo could not stop penetration. both lunged with their arms instead of moving their feet. with perimeter defense like that something bad is bound to happen. i guess martin checked him with the body. refs punish porous perimeter defense i guess.
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10/18/2013  10:24 PM
last sequence: shumpert does n ot appear to swipe at the ball but rather closer to hill's head. bad call but looks like a foul when the hand is so far from the ball.
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10/18/2013  10:43 PM
dk7th wrote:the martin foul: smith and then melo could not stop penetration. both lunged with their arms instead of moving their feet. with perimeter defense like that something bad is bound to happen. i guess martin checked him with the body. refs punish porous perimeter defense i guess.
If you give the refs the benefit of the doubt you say 'I guess he checked him with his body'. The problem is the game was very physical and if that happened it appeared it should be a no call in regards to how the game was officiated. It was an elimination game and the team on the verge of being eliminated was up before that stretch of calls in the fourth. The Knicks as a group last year did not handle calls against them well especially if they were close calls or missed calls. It seemed to effect their play and a ten minute run of calls like that in a series deciding game doomed them.
My guess, if it goes to seven the Pacers still probably take it but the officials impacted game 6 in the fourth quarter like the first game of the playoffs against Miami the previous year. It is very hard for a team to play at the same or higher level then their opponent if they also think they are being sabotaged by the officials. The calls definitely favored the Pacers and their style of play and seemed to be Pacer friendly minimally in that game.
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10/19/2013  5:33 AM
People forget how close that Pacers series was- history has been re-written that they absolutely crushed us, but to be honest we were injured, played like c*** and they only just got by us- we could have got a game 7. Also if you look at his numbers, Paul George had a bad series against us, which again has been airbrushed out of history. The real killers for us in that series were Hibbert and Lance Stephenson, who played way better against us than he did in any other series in the playoffs.

I don't think the game was specifically rigged with the goal of making us lose, but I do think, and I don't see how anyone can honestly refute it, that the nba did their occasional practice of manufacturing new stars in the playoffs. Anyone one who watched Wades first finals will know what I'm talking about. Refs specifically and consistently start giving ultra star treatment to a player, which turns them into quite literally an unstoppable force. Those new "straight up" Hibbert non-foul calls were an absolute joke, made even more ridiculous by peoples attempts to fool themselves that they were actually legit- the refs only just realized they'd been calling the game wrong all this time in the playoffs!
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10/19/2013  5:41 AM
Another thing about that vid, is the context of that game. It's been accepted practice for the past few years that teams (like Boston) are allowed to established themselves as a tough 'physical' defensive team. Once this 'physical' defensive team status has been magically bestowed on a team by the refs, it basically means that they are allowed to do stuff that the other team isn't. Apparently this is fair and legit, though it's never been clear to me why they have to resort to fouling if they are so good at defense. I'd really like that practice stopped- it's blatantly unfair.

Unfortunately we spent the entire season pissing off the refs by whining at every call, which earned us the opposite status, whereby the refs don't call anything unless they have too.

Anyways, Pacers played physical all year, so they got the tough 'physical' defensive team status, which is why they had to make a lot more contact than we did in order to get a foul called against them.

On a side note about rigged reffing- does anyone remember that Thunder game where the refs refused to call ANY foul for Melo, while calling everything for Durant. Even at the end of the game, the Thunder were deliberately trying to foul Melo to stop the clock, but the refs tried to avoid doing it. Made me think of Daughty's claims about them having bets amongst themselves about being the first to call a foul for a certain players.
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10/19/2013  5:58 AM
we were pretty close to getting that game 7 in MSG.. :(
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10/19/2013  6:07 AM
skeng wrote:we were pretty close to getting that game 7 in MSG.. :(

True, but if you read any of the offseason coverage and predictions stuff, you'd of thought we got swept by them. A lot of posters on these boards act like that too.
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10/19/2013  6:33 AM
smackeddog wrote:
skeng wrote:we were pretty close to getting that game 7 in MSG.. :(

True, but if you read any of the offseason coverage and predictions stuff, you'd of thought we got swept by them. A lot of posters on these boards act like that too.


You are making some really good points smackeddog.

It is only a few posters that act like we got swept. They didn't like the team from the very beginning and almost wanted it to fail so that they could complain and claim to have been right all along. Most of the fans are smart enough to know how devastated our front line was by injuries and we still almost forced a game 7. If we had gotten the right calls and if JR could hit some shots we could have won that series with a broken down team. I think we are better team this year.

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10/19/2013  7:42 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:So now we are gonna blame the refs for getting beat. Bad calls or not The Pacers desreved to win as much as i hate to admit it. they kicked our ass even tyson Chandler said it. The Knicks played great the first 3 games against Boston then they started to go downhill. I mean we almost blew a 3-0 series lead to a depleted Celtic team. So the point is no it wasnt rigged Indiana just were the better team

not true
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10/19/2013  8:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/19/2013  8:50 AM
anrst wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:So now we are gonna blame the refs for getting beat. Bad calls or not The Pacers desreved to win as much as i hate to admit it. they kicked our ass even tyson Chandler said it. The Knicks played great the first 3 games against Boston then they started to go downhill. I mean we almost blew a 3-0 series lead to a depleted Celtic team. So the point is no it wasnt rigged Indiana just were the better team

not true

What exactly isnt true? Im the biggest Knick fan there is but i also try not to be biased. Last year we played great the first 3 games against Boston. We actually should have won game 4 but it wasnt a big deal since we already had a 3-1 lead. Then we let them force a game 6. In game 6 we had a 25 point lead in the 4th quarter and nearly blew that. Then in the Pacer series we just werent good enough. i mean some can make excuses about the games being rigged and crap like that but we just werent good enough in that series. We have to move on and get ready for this season
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10/19/2013  10:00 AM
I really believe that everyone is in on it. Coaches players refs and owners. After all NBA is a business Maximizing revenue is the main goal. Still trying to figure out Vogel pulling Hibbert and Pop pulling Duncan. Left me scratching my head.
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10/19/2013  10:02 AM
Vmart wrote:I really believe that everyone is in on it. Coaches players refs and owners. After all NBA is a business Maximizing revenue is the main goal. Still trying to figure out Vogel pulling Hibbert and Pop pulling Duncan. Left me scratching my head.
To be fair if they really wanted to make money and rig a game they would have let the knicks win. Miami vs New York and lebron vs melo is much more marketable than Miami Vs Pacers. So for the last time as much as i despise The pacers they played a lot better than we did
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10/19/2013  10:03 AM
Vmart wrote:I really believe that everyone is in on it. Coaches players refs and owners. After all NBA is a business Maximizing revenue is the main goal. Still trying to figure out Vogel pulling Hibbert and Pop pulling Duncan. Left me scratching my head.

you think they're nudged in certain directions?

Like "ok you guys, take it easy today"

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