Is that enough to truly compete for a ring or just enough to make the 2nd rd and get bounced by championship teams with multiple 2way stars?

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If Melo leaves this summer and we get nothing back. What star who wants a ring is coming to New York. We've given up all of our draft picks and now we will be in a rebuilding mode. And you know that we ain't any good at rebuilding so we pay top dollar for a has been star and here we go again. The only way we can get another star will be to keep Melo. If he walks who do you think is coming to New York?

+1
The alpha dogs in the league are where they are. If LeQ or CP3 wanted NYC, they'd be here already. Melo is the franchise now.

BRIGGS wrote:He's worth the money.

I hope that he considers giving us a house discount or atleast taking a frontloaded contract so we can have solid spending money the following year.

But lets get real here. Carmelo is a top 10 player who is a top 3 scorer capable of dominating NBA basketball games. Few players like him. You can look at his deficiencies but hes a worthy max player. Does he have 5 years left after this one? Well hes never been a run jump athlete so his knees should hold up and he seems to be a hard worker in the offseason--but there will be risk with the back end of that contract. If he gets it--they must give every dollar they can in year 1 and when they go back into free agency it will have to be a guy who is young.

+1000000
Apparently, he can rebound too. And lead the team in dimes in a few games. And jump over a few chairs on D every once in awhile.
A very limited player indeed.

fishmike wrote:I voted yes. His teams are always good for about 50 wins. He does a good job winning the winnable games. He will jack shots and sloth on defense and act immature but the wins are there so is value is real.

I dont think he ever wins a title and probably doesnt make it past round 2 ever, his teams are just too easy for good teams to defend. Just pack the middle and let him take his 30 shots. He will score 40 at times and beat you, but for every one of those there's at least one 10-35 game thats unwinable. Cant win in the playoffs like that. But worth the money? Yes.

Only way Knicks ever win big is if they can land a star PG whos star enough to take the ball out of Melo's hands and just make him a finisher. Hard to envision that trade with this roster. Time will tell

Melo = Tyson? I don't see that happening consistently, no matter who you can dream of getting at PG.

BRIGGS wrote:He's worth the money.

I hope that he considers giving us a house discount or atleast taking a frontloaded contract so we can have solid spending money the following year.

But lets get real here. Carmelo is a top 10 player who is a top 3 scorer capable of dominating NBA basketball games. Few players like him. You can look at his deficiencies but hes a worthy max player. Does he have 5 years left after this one? Well hes never been a run jump athlete so his knees should hold up and he seems to be a hard worker in the offseason--but there will be risk with the back end of that contract. If he gets it--they must give every dollar they can in year 1 and when they go back into free agency it will have to be a guy who is young.

This. All of the talk about innefficiency is pointless. There arent many players better than him and we don't have a realistic shot at anyone who is better or close. What else is there to talk about? fantasy?

Killa4luv wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He's worth the money.

I hope that he considers giving us a house discount or atleast taking a frontloaded contract so we can have solid spending money the following year.

But lets get real here. Carmelo is a top 10 player who is a top 3 scorer capable of dominating NBA basketball games. Few players like him. You can look at his deficiencies but hes a worthy max player. Does he have 5 years left after this one? Well hes never been a run jump athlete so his knees should hold up and he seems to be a hard worker in the offseason--but there will be risk with the back end of that contract. If he gets it--they must give every dollar they can in year 1 and when they go back into free agency it will have to be a guy who is young.

This. All of the talk about innefficiency is pointless. There arent many players better than him and we don't have a realistic shot at anyone who is better or close. What else is there to talk about? fantasy?

gunsnewing wrote:You can go over the cap to sign your own players. We don't have lottery picks. We can't sign free agents if we are called out. Only $3mil and vet min deals

That's what S&Ts are for.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:You can go over the cap to sign your own players. We don't have lottery picks. We can't sign free agents if we are called out. Only $3mil and vet min deals

That's what S&Ts are for.

Are you sure? I didn't think there were many S & T options if you were over the cap in the new CBA

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:You can go over the cap to sign your own players. We don't have lottery picks. We can't sign free agents if we are called out. Only $3mil and vet min deals

That's what S&Ts are for.

We would need to trade our young guys and whatever picks we have left

Bonn1997 wrote:The better alternative is to spend money more wisely. That means no longer being PPG whores too. There's an infinite # of ways to do that. You can't list *the* better alternative. I've argued for using rather than ignoring the best available statistical models for a long time. With patience, there will be better options available like getting a 23 year old superstar scorer with many other talents for a much lower salary (Harden in Houston).

Bonn1997 wrote:The better alternative is to spend money more wisely. That means no longer being PPG whores too. There's an infinite # of ways to do that. You can't list *the* better alternative. I've argued for using rather than ignoring the best available statistical models for a long time. With patience, there will be better options available like getting a 23 year old superstar scorer with many other talents for a much lower salary (Harden in Houston).

What makes that a better alternative? There is no proof that your way works. Time will tell for Houston and Harden