dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just hope it doesn't get aggravated. I do think this is the best reason to keep him at the 3 so he's not fighting with muscled up PF's. I don't want Melo bangin all year with those guys.

you do realize that a right-handed shooter initiates contact with the left shoulder... right? melo's entire game driving-wise is predicated on this maneuver, since he lacks ball-handling skills, footwork, and an arsenal of requisite fakes. dumb decision on his part, and if it ends up that he plays outside and woodson commits to the italian inside the knicks will be a hot mess.

Stop talking to me like someone who doesn't know BB. All I care about is limiting the amount of times he's having to try fight against Bigger PF's on both ends. It's not the same as him posting up smaller SF's or taking shots off curls or PnP plays. You can't avoid all contact, but limiting those big hits can't hurt. If he's playing PF he's gonna have more opportunities for more physical contact, especially those chop down fouls from PF's who are getting beat and use that as a last resort defense. There's a big difference between a David West swinging down on you verses some SF.
It's just common sense.

If he is feeling good then I think he made the right choice but he is at risk for a shoulder dislocation because of the tear. I can't speak to the torn rotator cuff but those are bad. If that tear was small then he wouldn't need surgery though.

I am definitely worried about him banging into big bodies though. Surgery could destroy his career so he is doing what he has to do considering the risks associated with surgery.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just hope it doesn't get aggravated. I do think this is the best reason to keep him at the 3 so he's not fighting with muscled up PF's. I don't want Melo bangin all year with those guys.

you do realize that a right-handed shooter initiates contact with the left shoulder... right? melo's entire game driving-wise is predicated on this maneuver, since he lacks ball-handling skills, footwork, and an arsenal of requisite fakes. dumb decision on his part, and if it ends up that he plays outside and woodson commits to the italian inside the knicks will be a hot mess.

I thought based on your observations watching melo on tv last year that there were no ill effects on melo's shot or game from his injury.

it's observations based on experience-- i have had issues with both shoulders.

the left shoulder i tore the labrum a bit a number of years ago. that has not required surgery but it remains balky, clicking and grinding. but it does not interfere with taking a shot as i can raise it all the way and have full range of motion with little discomfort, and i am right-handed.

i had to have my right shoulder completely reconstructed, having been hit by a car while riding my bicycle. here in new york car drivers and even many pedestrians are very slow to adapt to the fact that cyclists are equals on the road, even with bike lanes. by the way it was a hit and run. the result of that injury was that i could not lift my arm at all. it was a very bad injury and the post-surgery rehab took 5 months or so.

bottom line is that something about this shoulder situation of melo's doesn't add up, even allowing for a broad range of mild to severe. it is very sketchy that a bunch of rehab is as effective as surgery if his claims about labrum AND rotator cuff are true. given the notorious misdirection of the front office on all injuries, the impression only gets more suspicious.

if he re-aggravates it then it was a dumb decision. if not then we knick fans can count ourselves blessed to have such a great medical staff and such a devoted superstar.

Nalod wrote:
We'll get halfway thru the year, then need surgery, then opt out, then...............Somber........

That's what I've prepared myself for since he announced he wasn't having surgery.

Melo has a phobia against surgery, so hopefully that didn't blind him to what the doctors were actually saying.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just hope it doesn't get aggravated. I do think this is the best reason to keep him at the 3 so he's not fighting with muscled up PF's. I don't want Melo bangin all year with those guys.

you do realize that a right-handed shooter initiates contact with the left shoulder... right? melo's entire game driving-wise is predicated on this maneuver, since he lacks ball-handling skills, footwork, and an arsenal of requisite fakes. dumb decision on his part, and if it ends up that he plays outside and woodson commits to the italian inside the knicks will be a hot mess.

I thought based on your observations watching melo on tv last year that there were no ill effects on melo's shot or game from his injury.

it's observations based on experience-- i have had issues with both shoulders.

the left shoulder i tore the labrum a bit a number of years ago. that has not required surgery but it remains balky, clicking and grinding. but it does not interfere with taking a shot as i can raise it all the way and have full range of motion with little discomfort, and i am right-handed.

i had to have my right shoulder completely reconstructed, having been hit by a car while riding my bicycle. here in new york car drivers and even many pedestrians are very slow to adapt to the fact that cyclists are equals on the road, even with bike lanes. by the way it was a hit and run. the result of that injury was that i could not lift my arm at all. it was a very bad injury and the post-surgery rehab took 5 months or so.

bottom line is that something about this shoulder situation of melo's doesn't add up, even allowing for a broad range of mild to severe. it is very sketchy that a bunch of rehab is as effective as surgery if his claims about labrum AND rotator cuff are true. given the notorious misdirection of the front office on all injuries, the impression only gets more suspicious.

if he re-aggravates it then it was a dumb decision. if not then we knick fans can count ourselves blessed to have such a great medical staff and such a devoted superstar.

My point was last spring you said that based on your observations the injury wasn't impacting his game. I believe you referred to it as, 'a little shoulder injury' but I might be mistaken.

yes and part of that argument at that time was: if it is affecting your shooting then find other ways to be impactful-- you know... defense, rebounding, assists/playmaking, hustle plays. he didn't do that and the knicks suffered because he is so profoundly limited.

this season you want to see some growth, any growth in his game. he has been the same player since he came in to the league.

Killa4luv wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just hope it doesn't get aggravated. I do think this is the best reason to keep him at the 3 so he's not fighting with muscled up PF's. I don't want Melo bangin all year with those guys.

you do realize that a right-handed shooter initiates contact with the left shoulder... right? melo's entire game driving-wise is predicated on this maneuver, since he lacks ball-handling skills, footwork, and an arsenal of requisite fakes. dumb decision on his part, and if it ends up that he plays outside and woodson commits to the italian inside the knicks will be a hot mess.

I thought based on your observations watching melo on tv last year that there were no ill effects on melo's shot or game from his injury.

it's observations based on experience-- i have had issues with both shoulders.

the left shoulder i tore the labrum a bit a number of years ago. that has not required surgery but it remains balky, clicking and grinding. but it does not interfere with taking a shot as i can raise it all the way and have full range of motion with little discomfort, and i am right-handed.

i had to have my right shoulder completely reconstructed, having been hit by a car while riding my bicycle. here in new york car drivers and even many pedestrians are very slow to adapt to the fact that cyclists are equals on the road, even with bike lanes. by the way it was a hit and run. the result of that injury was that i could not lift my arm at all. it was a very bad injury and the post-surgery rehab took 5 months or so.

bottom line is that something about this shoulder situation of melo's doesn't add up, even allowing for a broad range of mild to severe. it is very sketchy that a bunch of rehab is as effective as surgery if his claims about labrum AND rotator cuff are true. given the notorious misdirection of the front office on all injuries, the impression only gets more suspicious.

if he re-aggravates it then it was a dumb decision. if not then we knick fans can count ourselves blessed to have such a great medical staff and such a devoted superstar.

My point was last spring you said that based on your observations the injury wasn't impacting his game. I believe you referred to it as, 'a little shoulder injury' but I might be mistaken.

You are not mistaken. He went on and on about how it wasn't his shooting arm and therefore shouldve had no effect on his shoulder. Really trivializing the injury, or non-injury and it just got to the point of being ridiculous. It was at that point that I placed him on the ignore list. He hates Melo, I get it, but when you reach that level of lunacy, Id just rather not hear what he has to say, period.

not sure he is trivializing it, just not overblowing the situation (which to him, based on personal experience with shoulder injuries as he just described), seems a bit suspect. Especially when you consider that carmelo took even more shots with this torn labrum, torn rotator cuff, broken wrist, dislocated fingers, missing finger nail on his shooting hand thumb, etc... etc..etc..

The point being, either the injury is serious enough where it should have been addressed by surgery, or maybe it just wasn't as bad as being played out considering carmelo increased his shooting output... It does raise questions... legitimate ones, and add in the history of this front office and their BS... you never know...

Killa4luv wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just hope it doesn't get aggravated. I do think this is the best reason to keep him at the 3 so he's not fighting with muscled up PF's. I don't want Melo bangin all year with those guys.

you do realize that a right-handed shooter initiates contact with the left shoulder... right? melo's entire game driving-wise is predicated on this maneuver, since he lacks ball-handling skills, footwork, and an arsenal of requisite fakes. dumb decision on his part, and if it ends up that he plays outside and woodson commits to the italian inside the knicks will be a hot mess.

I thought based on your observations watching melo on tv last year that there were no ill effects on melo's shot or game from his injury.

it's observations based on experience-- i have had issues with both shoulders.

the left shoulder i tore the labrum a bit a number of years ago. that has not required surgery but it remains balky, clicking and grinding. but it does not interfere with taking a shot as i can raise it all the way and have full range of motion with little discomfort, and i am right-handed.

i had to have my right shoulder completely reconstructed, having been hit by a car while riding my bicycle. here in new york car drivers and even many pedestrians are very slow to adapt to the fact that cyclists are equals on the road, even with bike lanes. by the way it was a hit and run. the result of that injury was that i could not lift my arm at all. it was a very bad injury and the post-surgery rehab took 5 months or so.

bottom line is that something about this shoulder situation of melo's doesn't add up, even allowing for a broad range of mild to severe. it is very sketchy that a bunch of rehab is as effective as surgery if his claims about labrum AND rotator cuff are true. given the notorious misdirection of the front office on all injuries, the impression only gets more suspicious.

if he re-aggravates it then it was a dumb decision. if not then we knick fans can count ourselves blessed to have such a great medical staff and such a devoted superstar.

My point was last spring you said that based on your observations the injury wasn't impacting his game. I believe you referred to it as, 'a little shoulder injury' but I might be mistaken.

You are not mistaken. He went on and on about how it wasn't his shooting arm and therefore shouldve had no effect on his shoulder. Really trivializing the injury, or non-injury and it just got to the point of being ridiculous. It was at that point that I placed him on the ignore list. He hates Melo, I get it, but when you reach that level of lunacy, Id just rather not hear what he has to say, period.

Papabear Says

Welcome to the club. The man is sick with hate for Melo. He been on my ignore.

tkf wrote:
not sure he is trivializing it, just not overblowing the situation (which to him, based on personal experience with shoulder injuries as he just described), seems a bit suspect. Especially when you consider that carmelo took even more shots with this torn labrum, torn rotator cuff, broken wrist, dislocated fingers, missing finger nail on his shooting hand thumb, etc... etc..etc..

The point being, either the injury is serious enough where it should have been addressed by surgery, or maybe it just wasn't as bad as being played out considering carmelo increased his shooting output... It does raise questions... legitimate ones, and add in the history of this front office and their BS... you never know...