toad wrote:He's quite possibly our best (only?) two-way player. No way he goes anywhere.

James Dolan runs this team.

JR Smith plays golf with Dolan, Shumpert doesn't. Therefore JR can do no wrong yet Shumpert missing Summer LEague games angers Dolan.

smackeddog wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

toad wrote:He's quite possibly our best (only?) two-way player. No way he goes anywhere.

James Dolan runs this team.

JR Smith plays golf with Dolan, Shumpert doesn't. Therefore JR can do no wrong yet Shumpert missing Summer LEague games angers Dolan.

Yup- there's no point in arguing about how talented Shump is, all Dolan takes into account is petty stuff like loyalty/obedience. The sad thing is, that isn't even sarcasm- it's the depressing truth.

to be fair, loyalty is not petty stuff!!!

look we have to be fair here,

dolan is doing a great job as knicks owner, cash is coming in hand over boot,

on the surface, all is well,

the cash money trail doesn't really care about the deeper meaning here, the fact that we are a hodge podge collective wicker basket of a team that is going nowhere near a chip on the hardwoods

I don't think this team is in any danger of major changes unless a big piece like Rondo is available.

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.

So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.

So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.

Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

i don't think that's why cope is gone,

i do think that's why j-lin is gone!!

knickscity wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.

So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.

Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

i don't think that's why cope is gone,

i do think that's why j-lin is gone!!

Whether it was Melo's doing on either, both decisions were wise.

ouch!!

did you see the espn article that ranked lin higher than felton?

i prefer lin over felton still,

but it is what it is.

he was our guy, our gift from the heavens, he is part of our lore

IronWillGiroud wrote:

knickscity wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.

So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.

Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

i don't think that's why cope is gone,

i do think that's why j-lin is gone!!

Whether it was Melo's doing on either, both decisions were wise.

ouch!!

did you see the espn article that ranked lin higher than felton?

i prefer lin over felton still,

but it is what it is.

he was our guy, our gift from the heavens, he is part of our lore

While I do think Lin is a good player, i think folks saw the pinnacle and think that would be closer to his norm and i dont share that view.....he's good, never will be great, but good is littered all over the league.

Felton is good enough for what the team needs...thats pretty much all i care about.

Whether Lin could serve the role better...no one knows, no true point in debate a what if vs whats already here.

gunsnewing wrote:Lin is better than good when apps said and done. He is 25-26

playa2 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.

So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.

Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

Copeland was becoming a secret weapon of the Knicks and growing on the fans, it's one of the reasons why the Pacers signed him. A 6'8 that can light it up effortlessly from downtown, only one other SF at 6'8 on the team does that (Melo).

JR Smith is dysfunction personified, James Dolan loves to surround himself with those kind of people it makes him feel comfortable(Guys that like to give girls the pipe). The only other player on this roster that can do what JR does in playoff intensity type games is IMAN SHUMPERT. Shump will be playing to get an extension after this season before his final yr of his rookie contract and Dolan might not be having it.

Let's just say if there isn't any controversy on the Knicks ,then Dolan isn't running the team right.

He prospers when we show signs of dysfunction and become the talk of the town in the process. Publicity whether positive or negative is a great sell for Dolan and he knows it.

We the fans know we have the same owner in place , but we are expecting different results from him. I guess we all have a touch of insanity !!!