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10/10/2013  8:08 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:I would liek to see Sumpert get it. When the kid is healthy he is a difrerence maker. JR had a good year last year but lets afce it he was playing for a contract. Once he got his contract he began to screw up again getting suspended

wouldn't you prefer the players that out performs the other to get it? Don't you want to see this team at its best or, would you just rather see your favorite player start. Not being facetious, I'm truly curious?

First of all i dont play favorites. It makes sense to have JR come off the bench because he fits that role better. As much of an idiot he is he had his best season as the 6th man,

JR was essentially a starter, other than Melo no one tallied more minutes...he just wasnt in the game during the opening tip.

And he was the 2nd option on offense the entire year...unheard of from a "6th man".

Shump was a starter, but had role player duties.

Woodson is..imo...making things official.

But who's to say JR cant play the position correctly, he did it before in Denver. and the good thing about it, his role as a starter if he gets will actually suit him better.

At best he'll be 3rd option, and wont have the high usage...everything counts now for JR without the buffer.


Agree with everything but who would be the 2nd option? I actually think JR would be the 2nd option if he were in the starting lineup.

Bargnani.

That front court starting rotation is locked imo....I dont think Woody has even tinkered with anything else in training camp.


I definitely think Bargs is gonna be part of the starting 5. I just think Woody would go to JR before he goes to him. Melo was actively looking for Bargnani yesterday though which is a good sign.

I think Woody will give JR some leeway if he gets this position, but i dont think JR would be an issue in it at all.

He may even be more controlled especially with his shot attempts as he'll only have open shots that he wont have to create per se.

Woody seems defined in the frontcourt and those two will be getting the bulk of the starters shot attempts...I even see 7-10 attempts for Tyson through a combo of lobs, pnr and a couple of jumpers.

it almost forces JR to play as he should.


I'm still a little unsure of the 2nd unit scoring if that were to happen
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10/10/2013  8:13 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
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StarksEwing1 wrote:I would liek to see Sumpert get it. When the kid is healthy he is a difrerence maker. JR had a good year last year but lets afce it he was playing for a contract. Once he got his contract he began to screw up again getting suspended

wouldn't you prefer the players that out performs the other to get it? Don't you want to see this team at its best or, would you just rather see your favorite player start. Not being facetious, I'm truly curious?

First of all i dont play favorites. It makes sense to have JR come off the bench because he fits that role better. As much of an idiot he is he had his best season as the 6th man,

JR was essentially a starter, other than Melo no one tallied more minutes...he just wasnt in the game during the opening tip.

And he was the 2nd option on offense the entire year...unheard of from a "6th man".

Shump was a starter, but had role player duties.

Woodson is..imo...making things official.

But who's to say JR cant play the position correctly, he did it before in Denver. and the good thing about it, his role as a starter if he gets will actually suit him better.

At best he'll be 3rd option, and wont have the high usage...everything counts now for JR without the buffer.


Agree with everything but who would be the 2nd option? I actually think JR would be the 2nd option if he were in the starting lineup.

Bargnani.

That front court starting rotation is locked imo....I dont think Woody has even tinkered with anything else in training camp.


I definitely think Bargs is gonna be part of the starting 5. I just think Woody would go to JR before he goes to him. Melo was actively looking for Bargnani yesterday though which is a good sign.

I think Woody will give JR some leeway if he gets this position, but i dont think JR would be an issue in it at all.

He may even be more controlled especially with his shot attempts as he'll only have open shots that he wont have to create per se.

Woody seems defined in the frontcourt and those two will be getting the bulk of the starters shot attempts...I even see 7-10 attempts for Tyson through a combo of lobs, pnr and a couple of jumpers.

it almost forces JR to play as he should.


I'm still a little unsure of the 2nd unit scoring if that were to happen

Pablo leads the young guns....MWP and K-Mart clean up the brick laying materials left by Shump and TH.

Or those guys could be a unique one two punch of high fliers and bombers.

i think Woody if he goes fully into this is looking to KO teams early...all the bench has to do is dont give up the lead.
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10/10/2013  8:37 PM
Maybe Grunwald did not like the idea if promising JR the starting spot knowing that his reputation is on the line when JR does something stupid
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10/10/2013  8:40 PM
By the way this makes nonsense. We don't know when JR will be back. Prigioni is keeping his seat warm?
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10/11/2013  6:42 AM
gunsnewing wrote:By the way this makes nonsense. We don't know when JR will be back. Prigioni is keeping his seat warm?

Id bet the only games JR misses are the first 5 of the season.

Id even go as far that he plays 1 or 2 preseason games
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10/11/2013  6:48 AM
If JR wins the starting spot I hope he shows the enthusiasm to play defense.
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10/11/2013  7:20 AM
mattshaw78 wrote:If JR wins the starting spot I hope he shows the enthusiasm to play defense.

JR's defensive is just below Shumps. Dude has been a good defender his whole time with the Knicks.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/11/2013  7:29 AM
He will never play defense like Shumpert. We need Shumpert and Tyson on the floor together otherwise Tyson is going to have a fit protecting the rim with a Felton/JR backcourt
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10/11/2013  7:55 AM
gunsnewing wrote:He will never play defense like Shumpert. We need Shumpert and Tyson on the floor together otherwise Tyson is going to have a fit protecting the rim with a Felton/JR backcourt

haha your really funny man. Few can and do play D as effective as Shump but, that does not discount that JR is a good defensive player.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/11/2013  8:50 AM
I don't see it. I tend to remember Woodson chewy him out for not stepping up and getting in guys faces and for lazy rotations
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10/11/2013  8:53 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I don't see it. I tend to remember Woodson chewy him out for not stepping up and getting in guys faces and for lazy rotations

Well lets hope you have some saved on your DVR so you can refresh your memory. I still have most of last season saved to watch when I go through Basketball withdrawal

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/11/2013  9:11 AM
woodson is a myopic moron. he's playing favorites instead of making it a meritocracy.

the most important position for which he should have an open competition is at point guard. felton is very limited and the proof is he needs prigioni or kidd in the backcourt with him to make the offense run better. just crazy, especially since the backcourt will be porous and put a lot of undue burden on the interior defense. why not see whether prigioni or udrih can do a better job?

shumpert should be starting for his defensive prowess alone.

this shooting guard competition is just a stupid distraction from the real issue.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/11/2013  9:21 AM
I agree about Felton but he is starter by default. Pablo is 36 and his mins need to be monitored. Udrih is new, Felton is more acclimated and quite frankly Udrih looks a like heavy and slow. Might have an even harder time staying in front of his man than Felton. Felton's problem is he overplays and then is slow on rotations. Gotta hope Tyson will masks their diffiencies. One thing is for sure you start JR next to them and not Shumpert and Tyson will not be a happy camper
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10/11/2013  11:15 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I agree about Felton but he is starter by default. Pablo is 36 and his mins need to be monitored. Udrih is new, Felton is more acclimated and quite frankly Udrih looks a like heavy and slow. Might have an even harder time staying in front of his man than Felton. Felton's problem is he overplays and then is slow on rotations. Gotta hope Tyson will masks their diffiencies. One thing is for sure you start JR next to them and not Shumpert and Tyson will not be a happy camper

but why by default? i will watch the game tonight and have a close look at udrih to see if i agree he is heavy and slow. that's unprofessional to arrive overweight.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/11/2013  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2013  11:20 AM
dk7th wrote:woodson is a myopic moron. he's playing favorites instead of making it a meritocracy.

the most important position for which he should have an open competition is at point guard. felton is very limited and the proof is he needs prigioni or kidd in the backcourt with him to make the offense run better. just crazy, especially since the backcourt will be porous and put a lot of undue burden on the interior defense. why not see whether prigioni or udrih can do a better job?

shumpert should be starting for his defensive prowess alone.

this shooting guard competition is just a stupid distraction from the real issue.

no, he does it imo because it puts the best ball handlers on the floor which, equates fewer turnovers (knicks were the best at this last season). If your not going to be a great rebounding team, then you better not turn the ball over.

I do agree he and Beno should have to compete to see who gets the start though.

Also, he didn't NEED Kidd since it became apparent mid season that Prigs and Felton starting was the better combo

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/11/2013  12:11 PM
Shumpert doesn't turn the ball over. JR DOES. He is very careless with the rock
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10/11/2013  12:38 PM
TeamBall wrote:
knickscity wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
knickscity wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
knickscity wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I would liek to see Sumpert get it. When the kid is healthy he is a difrerence maker. JR had a good year last year but lets afce it he was playing for a contract. Once he got his contract he began to screw up again getting suspended

wouldn't you prefer the players that out performs the other to get it? Don't you want to see this team at its best or, would you just rather see your favorite player start. Not being facetious, I'm truly curious?

First of all i dont play favorites. It makes sense to have JR come off the bench because he fits that role better. As much of an idiot he is he had his best season as the 6th man,

JR was essentially a starter, other than Melo no one tallied more minutes...he just wasnt in the game during the opening tip.

And he was the 2nd option on offense the entire year...unheard of from a "6th man".

Shump was a starter, but had role player duties.

Woodson is..imo...making things official.

But who's to say JR cant play the position correctly, he did it before in Denver. and the good thing about it, his role as a starter if he gets will actually suit him better.

At best he'll be 3rd option, and wont have the high usage...everything counts now for JR without the buffer.


Agree with everything but who would be the 2nd option? I actually think JR would be the 2nd option if he were in the starting lineup.

Bargnani.

That front court starting rotation is locked imo....I dont think Woody has even tinkered with anything else in training camp.


I definitely think Bargs is gonna be part of the starting 5. I just think Woody would go to JR before he goes to him. Melo was actively looking for Bargnani yesterday though which is a good sign.

I think Woody will give JR some leeway if he gets this position, but i dont think JR would be an issue in it at all.

He may even be more controlled especially with his shot attempts as he'll only have open shots that he wont have to create per se.

Woody seems defined in the frontcourt and those two will be getting the bulk of the starters shot attempts...I even see 7-10 attempts for Tyson through a combo of lobs, pnr and a couple of jumpers.

it almost forces JR to play as he should.


I'm still a little unsure of the 2nd unit scoring if that were to happen

well if Shump takes his place as 6th man (and I am not suggesting any such thing), his improved scoring should do the trick.

Like I said, I love the idea of them competing. If anything, it will keep a fir lit under both of their asses. Going back to last season, Imam has shown a bit of a perchance for blowign off commitments. Missed practices last season, committed to play in summer league and then withdrew, missed most of the current training camp. I love Imam,...currently my favorite Knick but, he needs a fire lite under him too. He's no where near as gonzo as JR can be but, he's young and professionalism can sometimes suffer when dealing with a youngin.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/11/2013  12:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2013  12:44 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Shumpert doesn't turn the ball over. JR DOES. He is very careless with the rock

there is some truth to that. Shump needs to become better as finishing at the rim and he really needs to improve his ball handler. He can't seem to break ANYONE down off the dribble and has difficulty creating his own shot. When he drives to the rim he often seems to have no idea what to do if there isn't an obvious person to pass it off too.

I love the improved jump shot. It will put him in the upper tear at the two guard spot. I'm calling it now...Shump an allstar for the 2014-15season.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/11/2013  12:50 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Shumpert doesn't turn the ball over. JR DOES. He is very careless with the rock

there is some truth to that. Shump needs to become better as finishing at the rim and he really needs to improve his ball handler. He can't seem to break ANYONE down off the dribble and has difficulty creating his own shot. When he drives to the rim he often seems to have no idea what to do if there isn't an obvious person to pass it off too.

I love the improved jump shot. It will put him in the upper tear at the two guard spot. I'm calling it now...Shump an allstar for the 2014-15season.

Shump's handle looked better against Boston, but still room for improvement. Used it effectively to create some space for some jumpers as well.
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10/11/2013  12:53 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Shumpert doesn't turn the ball over. JR DOES. He is very careless with the rock

Shumpert barely passes.

He knows when he gets it to put it up.
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