yellowboy90 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Not sure how Vogel is handing out preseason minutes but I was able to catch the second half of the Pacers game Saturday night. Cope didn't play until the final 3 minutes of the fourth quarter. Hill was playing most of the second half. Maybe Vogel is going to play Hill one game and Cope the next but if not it appears Hill is ahead of Cope on the depth chart. Obviously too early to tell but before calling Cope the savior of the Pacers I think it is important to note that he got third string, not in the rotation minutes on Saturday.

Copeland is also coming off of Knee surgery so take that into account when it comes to his playing time.

Chris Copeland (knee surgery) played only three minutes off the bench during Saturday's preseason opener.

Copeland's offseason surgery was relatively minor, but he was still in pain in late September and the Pacers have no incentive to play him much before he's totally recovered. He should be ready for the season opener, when he'll serve as reserve depth at PF and (to a lesser extent) SF

Solace wrote:I think a young player like Copeland not getting more minutes was also money related. I do think teams are adverse to giving free agent young players who haven't proven much yet big minutes, because then the price goes way up. In the Knicks case, it backfired, but this is a common mentality.

The funny thing about your comments that Copeland at 29 years old is among the upper 3rd of older players on the Pacers.

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Solace wrote:I think a young player like Copeland not getting more minutes was also money related. I do think teams are adverse to giving free agent young players who haven't proven much yet big minutes, because then the price goes way up. In the Knicks case, it backfired, but this is a common mentality.

The funny thing about your comments that Copeland at 29 years old is among the upper 3rd of older players on the Pacers.

Young Cope is older then Anthony and Felton.

Yet the coach treated him like a 20yr rookie and enabled others like JR

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Solace wrote:I think a young player like Copeland not getting more minutes was also money related. I do think teams are adverse to giving free agent young players who haven't proven much yet big minutes, because then the price goes way up. In the Knicks case, it backfired, but this is a common mentality.

The funny thing about your comments that Copeland at 29 years old is among the upper 3rd of older players on the Pacers.

Young Cope is older then Anthony and Felton.

Yet the coach treated him like a 20yr rookie and enabled others like JR

So the coach treated a 28 year old journeyman rookie who does not play D like....well a 28 year old journeyman rookie who does not play D.......an you complain and point to his preference to use the SMOTY as a reason for his incompetence?

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Solace wrote:I think a young player like Copeland not getting more minutes was also money related. I do think teams are adverse to giving free agent young players who haven't proven much yet big minutes, because then the price goes way up. In the Knicks case, it backfired, but this is a common mentality.

The funny thing about your comments that Copeland at 29 years old is among the upper 3rd of older players on the Pacers.

Young Cope is older then Anthony and Felton.

Yet the coach treated him like a 20yr rookie and enabled others like JR

So the coach treated a 28 year old journeyman rookie who does not play D like....well a 28 year old journeyman rookie who does not play D.......an you complain and point to his preference to use the SMOTY as a reason for his incompetence?

Also, the coach started Cope in the first game of the boston series. Cope wasn't able to score a point in that series and looked shook. He was much more effective against Indy but that stuff stays with a coach and might cause him to think twice about putting a guy in in a pressure situation.

Are you giving him and excuse for that ridiculous move..please

playa2 wrote:This is for all who thought so little about Copeland lack of playing time against the Pacers wouldn't have helped the Knicks defeat the Pacers in 2nd rd and play Miami in Conf finals. Who ever didn't tell Woody to play Copeland needs to held accountable too.

Chris Copeland, 29, bounced around Europe before finally making it to the NBA with the Knicks last season. His ability to stretch the floor caused problems for Indiana when Knicks coach Mike Woodson, however briefly, played Copeland at center. The move forced the Pacers to take Roy Hibbert out because the All-Star center struggles to defend 25 feet from the basket. (That is the player who kicked our butt when it counted.

According to Copeland, when he arrived for training camp both Pacers coach Frank Vogel and Hibbert told him, “We’re happy we don’t have to worry about you anymore.”

Woodson was criticized for not giving Copeland a bigger role in the postseason, when Copeland averaged 11 minutes during the playoffs. At times he appeared to be a better alternative to both Amar’e Stoudemire and Kenyon Martin.

I love how nobody talked DIRECTLY to what Vogel and Hibbert said , about how happy they were to not have to worry about him anymore, but try and deflect it to me. For that I laugh at you !

foosballnick wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Solace wrote:I think a young player like Copeland not getting more minutes was also money related. I do think teams are adverse to giving free agent young players who haven't proven much yet big minutes, because then the price goes way up. In the Knicks case, it backfired, but this is a common mentality.

The funny thing about your comments that Copeland at 29 years old is among the upper 3rd of older players on the Pacers.

Young Cope is older then Anthony and Felton.

Yet the coach treated him like a 20yr rookie and enabled others like JR

So the coach treated a 28 year old journeyman rookie who does not play D like....well a 28 year old journeyman rookie who does not play D.......an you complain and point to his preference to use the SMOTY as a reason for his incompetence?

smoty is a regular-season award. there is almost zero continuity between the mamby pamby jayvee season and its silly pissant awards and all-star games and whatnot. smith is a jayvee player, always has been always will be. come playoff time he can't handle his ****.

vogel rightfully said woodson was a moron for not playing copeland in that series. i am going to listen to vogel's opinion, especially since bird decided that copeland was worth picking up. sounds like an endorsement to me. you?

woodson is mostly hat and no cattle. he practiced double standards last season and any fan of the knicks should call bull**** on that. he should be harder on his "favorites" not easier.

if we could woodson for vogel tomorrow would you do it?