StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just find it insane that so many Knick fans can't find any love for this roster. I think it's because of how it was put together. In the 90's the team had a more organic core with Ewing in the middle. The guys they picked up and traded for were accepted much more readily. Now because we had the signing of STAT and he has succumb to his knee problems as expected and the trade for Melo was so controversial, there is no core to this team that people love like Ewing (even tho fans had issues with Ewing too).

I personally feel this team built around Melo has given us some real effort. It's a flawed team with flawed players, but that's what the Knicks have been like for years even back to the glory days of the 90's. Still there is a lot this team can do and we should enjoy what this team does well. We haven't seen a 50+ win team in a long time and still fans are bitching like it's a team full of scrubs. This team had a lot of exciting wins last year. If they were deeper and healthier they would've gone further IMO. Now this year it looks like this team will be deeper and have a chance to be healthy. We have to hope that we can catch a break and stay healthy for a change.

I dont think what you said is fair. Accusing some knicks fans of having no love for the roster is very silly. We won 54 games last year so i can gurantee you 99% of fans have at leasr some love for this roster. I think you are a very good fan but i have noticed you tend to call out some fans just because they might be critical of certain players. For example i know Bargnani is a player who you ahve defended which is fine BUT fans have for the most part have been very fair about him. Everyone agrees that he has talent. However he does have his flaws which our fans have been fair about. So my point is taht its ok to love/root for teh Knicks and be objective as well

Thats hard to happen if the players dont play the way they should and achieve something worthy of being proud over.

I've seen the Knicks win 54 games before, nice to watch but not impressed.

I've seen the Knicks go to the second round before, nice...not impressed.

Every year you hear the same story...we're trying to win a title, but they dont play like it.

So my expectations are more lined up to what they DO play like...a first round and done team.

But I wasnt always like this, I was "rah-rah lets face Miami" just last season.

And I was let down....and once I'm let down, i lower the standard to what I last saw.

But I will be watching for sure, cheering them on...just with vastly lowered expectations, and who Knows...they might surprise me.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just find it insane that so many Knick fans can't find any love for this roster. I think it's because of how it was put together. In the 90's the team had a more organic core with Ewing in the middle. The guys they picked up and traded for were accepted much more readily. Now because we had the signing of STAT and he has succumb to his knee problems as expected and the trade for Melo was so controversial, there is no core to this team that people love like Ewing (even tho fans had issues with Ewing too).

I personally feel this team built around Melo has given us some real effort. It's a flawed team with flawed players, but that's what the Knicks have been like for years even back to the glory days of the 90's. Still there is a lot this team can do and we should enjoy what this team does well. We haven't seen a 50+ win team in a long time and still fans are bitching like it's a team full of scrubs. This team had a lot of exciting wins last year. If they were deeper and healthier they would've gone further IMO. Now this year it looks like this team will be deeper and have a chance to be healthy. We have to hope that we can catch a break and stay healthy for a change.

I dont think what you said is fair. Accusing some knicks fans of having no love for the roster is very silly. We won 54 games last year so i can gurantee you 99% of fans have at least some love for this roster. I think you are a very good fan but i have noticed you tend to call out some fans just because they might be critical of certain players. For example i know Bargnani is a player who you have defended which is fine BUT fans have for the most part have been very fair about him. Everyone agrees that he has talent. However he does have his flaws which our fans have been fair about. So my point is taht its ok to love/root for teh Knicks and be objective as well

Many of those fans i'm talking about have themselves made it clear they have no love for this team. It's not about me saying they have no right to express objective concerns about the players on this team. I've NEVER said anything like that. This thread is about the avowed haters and naysayers of this team right now. There are many fans who simply dislike this roster. Dislike the star of this team and the supporting cast. You may not be one of those guys, in which case this thread isn't about you and you shouldn't feel offense.

My point is that this team won 54 games and we kept the majority of the good players from last year and then ADDED more talent to that group. How can anyone not see how that is a good thing for the team? I repeat. We kept almost everyone that was key last year and replaced the rest of the players with better talent this year. I don't think it's necessary to go down the list of who left and who has come in, but you can't argue that the new players aren't better. THAT IS A FACT! IMO there's not much to really complain about. No one is saying we have the best team in the NBA. We just have to admit that we have a better overall roster than we had to start last year.

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just find it insane that so many Knick fans can't find any love for this roster. I think it's because of how it was put together. In the 90's the team had a more organic core with Ewing in the middle. The guys they picked up and traded for were accepted much more readily. Now because we had the signing of STAT and he has succumb to his knee problems as expected and the trade for Melo was so controversial, there is no core to this team that people love like Ewing (even tho fans had issues with Ewing too).

I personally feel this team built around Melo has given us some real effort. It's a flawed team with flawed players, but that's what the Knicks have been like for years even back to the glory days of the 90's. Still there is a lot this team can do and we should enjoy what this team does well. We haven't seen a 50+ win team in a long time and still fans are bitching like it's a team full of scrubs. This team had a lot of exciting wins last year. If they were deeper and healthier they would've gone further IMO. Now this year it looks like this team will be deeper and have a chance to be healthy. We have to hope that we can catch a break and stay healthy for a change.

I dont think what you said is fair. Accusing some knicks fans of having no love for the roster is very silly. We won 54 games last year so i can gurantee you 99% of fans have at leasr some love for this roster. I think you are a very good fan but i have noticed you tend to call out some fans just because they might be critical of certain players. For example i know Bargnani is a player who you ahve defended which is fine BUT fans have for the most part have been very fair about him. Everyone agrees that he has talent. However he does have his flaws which our fans have been fair about. So my point is taht its ok to love/root for teh Knicks and be objective as well

I think the main issue is we are all fans of the Knicks, but some want posters to also be fans of the players....not gonna happen.

Thats hard to happen if the players dont play the way they should and achieve something worthy of being proud over.

I've seen the Knicks win 54 games before, nice to watch but not impressed.

I've seen the Knicks go to the second round before, nice...not impressed.

Every year you hear the same story...we're trying to win a title, but they dont play like it.

So my expectations are more lined up to what they DO play like...a first round and done team.

But I wasnt always like this, I was "rah-rah lets face Miami" just last season.

And I was let down....and once I'm let down, i lower the standard to what I last saw.

But I will be watching for sure, cheering them on...just with vastly lowered expectations, and who Knows...they might surprise me.

and woody is going to be a problem you can't deny the problems,

we're in a rough patch right now as a fanbase, going on 15 years or so of doom and gloom,

please do not cite last year's 54 fugazy wins!

what do we demand? a chip. when are we gonna get it? no one knows at this rate!!!

Position	 Starters	        	                
Point Guard	 Raymond Felton	        Pablo Prigioni	        Beno Udrih		
Shooting Guard	 Iman Shumpert	        J.R. Smith	        Tim Hardaway Jr.		
Small Forward	 Carmelo Anthony	Metta World Peace	C.J. Leslie		
Power Forward	 Andrea Bargnani	Amar'e Stoudemire	Kenyon Martin		
Center	         Tyson Chandler	        Cole Aldrich	        Jeremy Tyler

That looks like a very promising group of players for this franchise. I'm going to try and enjoy the season and the playoffs. This group has the potential to be much more versatile and stronger than the team we had last year.
In the long time we've been talking on this forum, this is the most talented roster we've had since the last finals team. Fans should be happy and excited about that.

misterearl wrote:“Ain’t no pressure on him,” Anthony said with a smile. “You come here and do what you do — play ball. All the pressure’s on me. It should be easy for him. It should be an easy transition and adjustment for him. He can just come here, play basketball, do what he’s got to do and do it the right way. It should be easy for him."

As it should be easer for Knicks supporters to let go of the past and look forward to a new season. Reading the absolute negativism of crybabies like Mitch Lawrence who swears the Knicks will lose is the height of journalism fakery.

No way does woody improve, last playoffs proved he is same coach as in Atlanta- Ironwilgiroud

Really?

The Knicks have no leaders, compelling players, followable basketball story lines or likeable dudes. Forget Beno Uhrih, Isaiah Thomas is lurking behind every corner. It is all too much.

Foosballknick is correct. "All of the threads all summer long have finally worn me down and convinced me to contact the league office and petition that the Knicks not be allowed to even play this year out of pure ineptitude and evil that the Knicks emanate which will only cause the Knick fan base to eventually internally combust and will also only serve to rub off negatively on other teams."

Sheesh

Just wanted to say that what I posted in the other thread was intended to be sarcasm / a parody of (my view) of the tone on this board for the past several months. I'm really not in to rating my fanhood and comparing it to someone else......however what I do find interesting is people who spend a significant amount of time on a fan board making negative comments or complaining about the team that is the subject of the fan board.....or at least what seems like complaining. I just don't get it...but that's just me. I'm a lifelong fan and love the Knicks and will be ecstatic when they finally break through and win. It will feel like 1994 with the Rangers.....or 1986 with the Giants.....or 1977 with the Yankees for me.....all the first time watching a team I root for win a Ship. However, as much as I love the Knicks, I love my wife, kids, pets, business, friends, relatives more.....so if the Knicks fail to win or live up to expectations....I really don't have the time nor energy to go into mourning or dwell on the negative.....ie.... just don't have the time or need to hate on the Knicks. Life is too short for me to hate on much of anything at this point. Just getting older I guess.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I just find it insane that so many Knick fans can't find any love for this roster. I think it's because of how it was put together. In the 90's the team had a more organic core with Ewing in the middle. The guys they picked up and traded for were accepted much more readily. Now because we had the signing of STAT and he has succumb to his knee problems as expected and the trade for Melo was so controversial, there is no core to this team that people love like Ewing (even tho fans had issues with Ewing too).

I personally feel this team built around Melo has given us some real effort. It's a flawed team with flawed players, but that's what the Knicks have been like for years even back to the glory days of the 90's. Still there is a lot this team can do and we should enjoy what this team does well. We haven't seen a 50+ win team in a long time and still fans are bitching like it's a team full of scrubs. This team had a lot of exciting wins last year. If they were deeper and healthier they would've gone further IMO. Now this year it looks like this team will be deeper and have a chance to be healthy. We have to hope that we can catch a break and stay healthy for a change.

I dont think what you said is fair. Accusing some knicks fans of having no love for the roster is very silly. We won 54 games last year so i can gurantee you 99% of fans have at leasr some love for this roster. I think you are a very good fan but i have noticed you tend to call out some fans just because they might be critical of certain players. For example i know Bargnani is a player who you ahve defended which is fine BUT fans have for the most part have been very fair about him. Everyone agrees that he has talent. However he does have his flaws which our fans have been fair about. So my point is taht its ok to love/root for teh Knicks and be objective as well

I think the main issue is we are all fans of the Knicks, but some want posters to also be fans of the players....not gonna happen.

Thats hard to happen if the players dont play the way they should and achieve something worthy of being proud over.

I've seen the Knicks win 54 games before, nice to watch but not impressed.

I've seen the Knicks go to the second round before, nice...not impressed.

Every year you hear the same story...we're trying to win a title, but they dont play like it.

So my expectations are more lined up to what they DO play like...a first round and done team.

But I wasnt always like this, I was "rah-rah lets face Miami" just last season.

And I was let down....and once I'm let down, i lower the standard to what I last saw.

But I will be watching for sure, cheering them on...just with vastly lowered expectations, and who Knows...they might surprise me.

I just have to ask when were you let down last year and what were the circumstances? Also, I don't have a need to convince others that there should be optimism for the team but I do get frustrated when accomplishments that haven't happened in almost two decades are put down and the suggestion is made that it doesn't matter how long it has been for the Knicks to be a winner, and that they aren't winning enough to be enjoyable. Personally, I enjoyed last year more than any year since JVG left. And for me it was because the team was winning and beating really good teams.

Winning is cool. But it is the way team win really matters.
You see some clubs like Heat, Spurs, OKC, Clips last year. And they win games with dominance.
Knicks just scrap some of the wins and get others on the crazy buzzer-bitters or on the shoulder of the best volume scorer of the game having a good one.
This not how team became a force in sports for years to come. It is not how team became a Team.
We all want Knicks to succeed, to win every game, but I need more.
I want to be proud of my team. And they denying me this over and over again.

arkrud wrote:Winning is cool. But it is the way team win really matters.
You see some clubs like Heat, Spurs, OKC, Clips last year. And they win games with dominance.
Knicks just scrap some of the wins and get others on the crazy buzzer-bitters or on the shoulder of the best volume scorer of the game having a good one.
This not how team became a force in sports for years to come. It is not how team became a Team.
We all want Knicks to succeed, to win every game, but I need more.
I want to be proud of my team. And they denying me this over and over again.

So now you're gonna kill this team over style points? The Knicks weren't dominant enough for you when they were winning 13 straight games? I think this is just more "self hating" Knicks fan crap. Why can't we just be proud of our team like normal fans? We have to remain jaded because the team was a loser for a decade. Well that is over now. This team isn't a loser anymore. We shouldn't act like the fans of a losing team.

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:Winning is cool. But it is the way team win really matters.
You see some clubs like Heat, Spurs, OKC, Clips last year. And they win games with dominance.
Knicks just scrap some of the wins and get others on the crazy buzzer-bitters or on the shoulder of the best volume scorer of the game having a good one.
This not how team became a force in sports for years to come. It is not how team became a Team.
We all want Knicks to succeed, to win every game, but I need more.
I want to be proud of my team. And they denying me this over and over again.

So now you're gonna kill this team over style points? The Knicks weren't dominant enough for you when they were winning 13 straight games? I think this is just more "self hating" Knicks fan crap. Why can't we just be proud of our team like normal fans? We have to remain jaded because the team was a loser for a decade. Well that is over now. This team isn't a loser anymore. We shouldn't act like the fans of a losing team.

There are many great supporting fans just go to some of the games. I support the team 100 percent. If those who feel that the regular season games are meaningless why post?? If you think regular games mean nothing then stop your complaining till the playoffs then do your thing. As for me I'm just sick and tired of the negativity by some posters so I will have to put more on ignore. It seems like they are trying to take over the Forum. What kind of fun will it be if we have an Ultimate Knicks get together to watch a game and you got a bunch of guys hissing and cussing at the TV. But that won't happen because the true haters won't show up. They will come up with some kind of excuse. I would love to meet them. And I mean that in a nice way. I would love to meet the lovers now that will be fun. We have not won a championship game in 40 years. I hope that change. I will not have my joy of the Knicks ran sacked. By a group haters. I would love to meet them face to face and have a frendly debate about the Knicks. you see when face someone face to face maybe you can understand them better.

Please point out how this thread title is telling someome what to feel or think... Or torture themselves.

And please don't try to tell the Answer Man how to create compelling thread titles.

sadly, "younger" and "more talented" have no bearing on "chemistry" and "teamwork." felton is penciled in as quarterback already and that's just sad. neither melo nor bargnani are known for their playmaking-- and the numbers back this up in spades-- yet you somehow think the knicks are improved. in my opinion, all things considered the knicks will be lucky to capture 3rd seed with 50 wins. if they get anything less than 3rd seed then a first round exit is likely. you want to face a 6th seed in the first round if your the knicks since the dropoff is likely to be substantial... as it has been since the league became the bloated, diluted mess it has become under stern's misguided, "entertainment-centric" stewardship - Irionwilgiroud

Basketball is a team sport. No one knows how this chorus line will cohere, or implode. If you are expecting (or relishing) failure, that is a strange way to support a team.

Raymond Felton is lighter and wiser. After a homecoming season where he led effectively, he will play with passion every moment he is on the court. No problem with that.

IMan Shumpert should have full confidence in his wheels. See RG3. Heck, DRose skipped the entire year.

Carmelo and Andrea are the New odd couple. Neither will ever be beloved. Nobody roots for Goliath. Melo scores in his sleep and Bargnani was a waste of a number one. Anything less than Total Excellence is failure. They are easy targets. Both are also a tough cover for any defender.

Tyson Chandler is bigger. Bigger is better. just ask the kids on the TV commercials.

Ron Artest bleeds New York. We must protect this house. Pablo is back. Nice. He probably rides the Subway without being noticed. He is an honorary New Yorker and will be a year more comfortable. Beno Uhrih is a quiet leader who makes the players around him better. better is better.

Our yoots will be fighting for jobs and minutes. There is a lot to like about the intelligence of Tim Hardaway Jr. And the feel good story of CDR. "There’s a large group of players fighting for a spot on this Knicks roster. Cole Aldrich, Douglas-Roberts, Toure Murry, Josh Powell, Ike Diogu, and Chris Smith are playing for a chance to slip on the orange and blue jersey."

New Yorkers prefer rooting for the underdog because city life is a grind. We loved how Oak dove into the front row after a loose ball. There will be hustle plays made by Kenyon Martin that will move the crowd. JR Smith will make us crazy... And he WILL hit game winning shots. Metta makes us tougher. Crazy tough.

You wanna throw dirt on them before the season starts, be my guest.

It's only basketball.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Chips R Us

IronWillGiroud wrote:

and woody is going to be a problem you can't deny the problems,

we're in a rough patch right now as a fanbase, going on 15 years or so of doom and gloom,

please do not cite last year's 54 fugazy wins!

what do we demand? a chip. when are we gonna get it? no one knows at this rate!!!

What is a chip?

Read thread title Carefully

i read it again, very carefully:

you wish The People of this Great Land to lower our expectations for this club,

i can't do that! i can't let The People do that--- this is New York, the Mecca, the home of basketball and also home of the biggest cash money purse in the league,

no excuses.