jrodmc wrote:We've improved every year Melo's been here. Every year. Look it up. But that doesn't matter. The same people who were moaning and beeyatching about 1st round exits, are now moaning about 2nd round exits. At least you're consistent. And please, talk more about being boring AND sad.

Melo now has to be the best player in the universe to earn a max contract. <--- this is such a brilliant point, I surely hope some Somber creates yet another, off season, I hate Melo thread to expound and repeat it endlessly.

Blowing it all up is great, since we can't beat the Heat, Pacers, Bulls, Nyeticks, etc etc. <---- see, this is what your dog is thinking when he pees in his own water dish. Congratulations, you've just proven that evolution could be true. You've expressed the same reasoning faculties as a canine.

Melo can't rebound <----- remember this? Well, at least now we've moved on to his other deficiencies; he can't pass and he can't defend, and the always comfortable "he doesn't make anyone better". Stay tuned, maybe this season we'll be able to remove one of those off the list, too. Then we can still complain that he's not likeable, he doesn't have any MVP's, he wasn't ROTY, he's not elite....

It's going to be a long month or so until the season starts...

Why would you give a max contract to a player who isn't the best? Especially when the best player in the league took less than the max the first time around. Why would anyone use up cap space that is needed to get better players to get this guy over the top.

Somber? Just because people point out Melo's few faults doesn't make one Somberite or what ever you guys call it. I never hated Melo I want him on the Knicks. I also know he needs all the help in the world to get him to a championship level. If Melo eats up a huge chunk of the cap you can kiss any championship talk good bye.

Melo needs to take his game to another level if Max money comes into play. I believe that he needs to increase his efficiency especially shooting. He needs to use his teammates better tired of watching him shoot with two players draped on him. Now if he is surrounded by other efficient players there is a good chance Melo's efficiency goes up. Similar to LeBron and Wade, but if Melo takes Max money there is a very good chance the Knicks will not be able to surround Melo with quality players who bring efficiency.

SupremeCommander wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see why we would move away from Melo as if he's the reason we're not winning a title. Rarely does a title come down to one elite player. It's ALWAYS about the team. You build a team that can win a title. If we have in fact built a better team this year then I don't see how they fail so miserably that we would not re-sign Melo.

IMO you have to put things in perspective. The disappointment from not getting to the ECF's is far different than the failure to get out of the 1st round. I don't see the Knicks being a 1st rd. victim. I personally don't ascribe to the notion that this team will finish the #5 seed. I think the Knicks are one of the top tier teams in the East and as such they will be hard to beat by any 1st rd opponent. Even weak and injured it still took the Pacers 6 games to get rid of the Knicks. It seemed apparent to me that in that 6th game if we had just a little better talent around Melo he did enough to help the team win. Melo wasn't the part that let us down in that game. Just think about who the 2nd best player after Melo was and compare that to the 2nd best player on the Heat, Spurs or even Pacers.

DUDE There IS Nothing wrong with trying to find a positive spin with everything, but lets be honest..carmelo is not an elite player. He is a good volume scorer. He doesn't pass, or defend. He doesn't make anyone better...The knicks should be looking to build a team with players that actually compliment one another. you guys talk about getting rondo, well then look for two way players, ball movers, defenders, guys who can rebound.. guys who have their best years ahead of them. Carmelo is a Dinosaur.. that old jab step, fake, jab step, fake, jab step, shoot, game is old. It is prohibitive.. Hard to build around and certainly makes it hard to put players who like to move with out the ball around him..

Maybe you should focus on how can we eventually put a team together that can grow and be good for a long time..Carmelo may not stop us from getting a title, because we were never that good, but honestly he will not help us get one either.... Ok, so you say it isn't his fault.. great.. so now lets find solutions.. He isn't part of it.. and he wants mega money.. I say NO!!!!! leave CARMELO!!!

This is a ridiculous post and thread. Im not saying that we should pay Carmelo 30mm per but it would be difficult to replace him for 4 more years.

Carmelo Anthony averaged nearly 29 points per game on an eFg of .503 and took down 7 rebounds a game with a 25 PER. For his career he has averaged 25-6.3-3.0 and .48 eFG there are few players in the history of modern basketball with these numbers. Hes been a winner on every level--college and pros. Its not Carmelo's fault that we had injury after injury last year. If there was criticism of CA he made the Knicks pay too much for him at the trade so we were not able to put the appropriate pieces around him and he did not perform in the playoffs as well as the regular season but these posts are absolutely absurd nonsense with numbers supporting quite the opposite. The guy is a top 10 NBA player.

+1

+1. That sums it up right.

tj23 wrote:

callmened wrote:i Truly believe that the problems with this team has to do with Amare's horrible contract. Amare is a bench player making 23 mill. If he makes 5 mill instead of 23 mill then its a diff story. anyways to answer your question, YES you resign melo, get in a quality PG (who can make players better) and build around those two.

Tyson as well. The guy has become a lazy, unreliable defender who makes 14 mill per and has almost no offensive game. I mean doesn't Rondo only make 10 mill a season? lol

+1

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:We've improved every year Melo's been here. Every year. Look it up. But that doesn't matter. The same people who were moaning and beeyatching about 1st round exits, are now moaning about 2nd round exits. At least you're consistent. And please, talk more about being boring AND sad.

Melo now has to be the best player in the universe to earn a max contract. <--- this is such a brilliant point, I surely hope some Somber creates yet another, off season, I hate Melo thread to expound and repeat it endlessly.

Blowing it all up is great, since we can't beat the Heat, Pacers, Bulls, Nyeticks, etc etc. <---- see, this is what your dog is thinking when he pees in his own water dish. Congratulations, you've just proven that evolution could be true. You've expressed the same reasoning faculties as a canine.

Melo can't rebound <----- remember this? Well, at least now we've moved on to his other deficiencies; he can't pass and he can't defend, and the always comfortable "he doesn't make anyone better". Stay tuned, maybe this season we'll be able to remove one of those off the list, too. Then we can still complain that he's not likeable, he doesn't have any MVP's, he wasn't ROTY, he's not elite....

It's going to be a long month or so until the season starts...

Why would you give a max contract to a player who isn't the best? Especially when the best player in the league took less than the max the first time around. Why would anyone use up cap space that is needed to get better players to get this guy over the top.

Somber? Just because people point out Melo's few faults doesn't make one Somberite or what ever you guys call it. I never hated Melo I want him on the Knicks. I also know he needs all the help in the world to get him to a championship level. If Melo eats up a huge chunk of the cap you can kiss any championship talk good bye.

Melo needs to take his game to another level if Max money comes into play. I believe that he needs to increase his efficiency especially shooting. He needs to use his teammates better tired of watching him shoot with two players draped on him. Now if he is surrounded by other efficient players there is a good chance Melo's efficiency goes up. Similar to LeBron and Wade, but if Melo takes Max money there is a very good chance the Knicks will not be able to surround Melo with quality players who bring efficiency.

If you subtract the 7.7% Melo has to pay NYS in income tax from his salary (1.67 mil), he makes the same as LBJ. Players already have to take less to play in NYS. The nba needs to level the playing field with this state income tax issue. The guys I hear about taking less, LBJ, Duncan and Dirk come to mind, play in states where there is no state income tax. That makes a huge difference. In Lebron's case it is the difference on paper between his contract and Melo's.

You can make up far more than 7% in endorsement money here.

gunsnewing wrote:If Melo wants to improve all aspects of his game and become the best player in the league or do all the things that Lebron does and singlehandedly lead the Knicks to their first title in over 40yrs then I have no problem paying him $29mil per. Until then forget about it. But like with H20, Marbury and Amare the Knicks will give him the max and be happy contending for a playoff spot and the money it brings with no championship in site.

With that said even Lebron took less because he has superior IQ to realize you need other stars around you to go all the way

good point guns.. but as we both know..

The problem is, it is not that easy.. after 12+ years in the league, he is what he is. If he could do all of these things people are wishing for, he would have done it...

He isn't an elite talent, he is a volume shooter/scorer.... we tend to have a problem making guys into something they are not once they come to the knicks. regardless of what their history and resume tells you....

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see why we would move away from Melo as if he's the reason we're not winning a title. Rarely does a title come down to one elite player. It's ALWAYS about the team. You build a team that can win a title. If we have in fact built a better team this year then I don't see how they fail so miserably that we would not re-sign Melo.

IMO you have to put things in perspective. The disappointment from not getting to the ECF's is far different than the failure to get out of the 1st round. I don't see the Knicks being a 1st rd. victim. I personally don't ascribe to the notion that this team will finish the #5 seed. I think the Knicks are one of the top tier teams in the East and as such they will be hard to beat by any 1st rd opponent. Even weak and injured it still took the Pacers 6 games to get rid of the Knicks. It seemed apparent to me that in that 6th game if we had just a little better talent around Melo he did enough to help the team win. Melo wasn't the part that let us down in that game. Just think about who the 2nd best player after Melo was and compare that to the 2nd best player on the Heat, Spurs or even Pacers.

DUDE There IS Nothing wrong with trying to find a positive spin with everything, but lets be honest..carmelo is not an elite player. He is a good volume scorer. He doesn't pass, or defend. He doesn't make anyone better...The knicks should be looking to build a team with players that actually compliment one another. you guys talk about getting rondo, well then look for two way players, ball movers, defenders, guys who can rebound.. guys who have their best years ahead of them. Carmelo is a Dinosaur.. that old jab step, fake, jab step, fake, jab step, shoot, game is old. It is prohibitive.. Hard to build around and certainly makes it hard to put players who like to move with out the ball around him..

Maybe you should focus on how can we eventually put a team together that can grow and be good for a long time..Carmelo may not stop us from getting a title, because we were never that good, but honestly he will not help us get one either.... Ok, so you say it isn't his fault.. great.. so now lets find solutions.. He isn't part of it.. and he wants mega money.. I say NO!!!!! leave CARMELO!!!

This is a ridiculous post and thread. Im not saying that we should pay Carmelo 30mm per but it would be difficult to replace him for 4 more years.

Carmelo Anthony averaged nearly 29 points per game on an eFg of .503 and took down 7 rebounds a game with a 25 PER. For his career he has averaged 25-6.3-3.0 and .48 eFG there are few players in the history of modern basketball with these numbers. Hes been a winner on every level--college and pros. Its not Carmelo's fault that we had injury after injury last year. If there was criticism of CA he made the Knicks pay too much for him at the trade so we were not able to put the appropriate pieces around him and he did not perform in the playoffs as well as the regular season but these posts are absolutely absurd nonsense with numbers supporting quite the opposite. The guy is a top 10 NBA player.

that is clearly your opinion Briggs and you have very little evidence to back that one up..

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:i agree with BRIGGS. dude is a top 10 NBA player. you dont get rid of guys like that. does he have faults? YES he doesnt make his team better. but i feel like if he had more help, the knicks could achieve more. again what KILLS us is the fact that amare eats up 23mill off the cap to sit on the bench. in 2005, when that AWFUL contract comes off the books, sign legit players to surround melo

if he doesn't make his team better, how is he a top 10 player in the NBA? You do get rid of guys like that who are eating up 30%+ of your cap.... you don't pay guys who have to play out of position because you are trying to hide their weaknesses.. that is a major problem.. major... I don't see the benefit of keeping him around at all at any price near 20 mil.. You guys scream about wanting to win a title but don't want to make the proper moves to get one...

the elephant in the room is that carmelo anthony is a tweener. he doesn't have genuine nba small forward skills-- shooting and ball handling and passing-- and he is too small to guard power forwards and dominate the boards from the power forward position. beware the tweener!

michael beasley has the same problem.

whether he slims down or bulks up he is screwed. you can claim until the cows come home that he is a versatile scorer and what have you but you can't mask the guy's deficiencies.

bottom line i agree: you can't make others better then what are you doing asking for max money?