We will be a #4-#8 seed, 1st/2nd round knockout team for the duration of that contract. I really hope winning a chip means more than a 2nd max contract from us to him

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Love Melo on the Knicks, but if he's going to get near "Kobe Bryant" type money annually for his next contract, we're phucking doomed...

Can't build a contender with a 30 yr old+ eating most of the cap. Been through it before with Allan Houston and Amare...

you can if that 30 year old is lebron, or maybe durant...

Not even. Lebron needed 2 top 10 players and great role players to be legitimate contenders. Although he took his Cleveland team to the finals only to get swept, I wouldn't call that team a legit contender.

Durant needed Westbrook and Harden to even get swept in the Finals, so no to him as well.

We must land another max FA in addition to resigning him. Not sure if Love, Irving, Rondo, Aldridge etc are those players, but that is the idea.

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

The "coming home" angle was from the Knicks, Melo reps Baltimore and always has....he was merely born in NY, he wasnt raised here at all.

IMO, he takes the max because the Knicks will offer it.

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Love Melo on the Knicks, but if he's going to get near "Kobe Bryant" type money annually for his next contract, we're phucking doomed...

Can't build a contender with a 30 yr old+ eating most of the cap. Been through it before with Allan Houston and Amare...

you can if that 30 year old is lebron, or maybe durant...

Not even. Lebron needed 2 top 10 players and great role players to be legitimate contenders. Although he took his Cleveland team to the finals only to get swept, I wouldn't call that team a legit contender.

Durant needed Westbrook and Harden to even get swept in the Finals, so no to him as well.

They didnt get swept but they got embarrassed. Personally I don't think Durant is significantly better than melo, in fact I think he's a bit too passive. He's less of a leader than melo is, and that's definitely saying something. I guess it's a point of view type of thing. If durant's +5% FG percentage is a big deal to someone they obviously think he's a lot better. But I often find that durant is a non-factor in games a lot more often than melo is (however some nights I'd wish melo would be a non-factor instead of shooting 33%), and I don't think durant's game is as diverse as melo's. He also seems to be given the benefit of the doubt by the referees a lot more often than Anthony. I just don't think it's fair when people put lebron and kd on the same level and say melo is miles below. Melo is miles below Lebron, but Durant isn't much closer to Lebron's level, no one in the league is. Would I trade melo for durant in a hypothetical situation? Yes, but I think this adoration of durant by some people is a result of "grass is greener on the other side" thinking. Durant is definitely a player that needs greatness around him to win.

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

what does age have to do with it? Melo already has had a max contract and another max extension after that. LeBron, Wade, Bosh have already set the bar for taking less money to play together.

If NY and Melo are serious about putting together a contender, they need to look at the simple math.

No bars have been set, those guys net pay is no different from melo's...only difference is their home states tax.....which doesnt exist, it offsets the 2 mil dollar difference, and to be honest when factoring in those taxes...Lebron and Co...MAKE MORE.

And age has EVERYTHING to do with it...you're suggesting melo do something no one in his stature has ever done at his age.

To even suggest a 15 mil starting salary is hilarious.

That's nearly a 35% paycut, lebron wade and Bosh did nothing of that nature.

could you help me and lay out the number they could have extended for in CLE or TOR? 3 year extension and then a max after that versus the 5 year they got in Miami?

martin wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

what does age have to do with it? Melo already has had a max contract and another max extension after that. LeBron, Wade, Bosh have already set the bar for taking less money to play together.

If NY and Melo are serious about putting together a contender, they need to look at the simple math.

No bars have been set, those guys net pay is no different from melo's...only difference is their home states tax.....which doesnt exist, it offsets the 2 mil dollar difference, and to be honest when factoring in those taxes...Lebron and Co...MAKE MORE.

And age has EVERYTHING to do with it...you're suggesting melo do something no one in his stature has ever done at his age.

To even suggest a 15 mil starting salary is hilarious.

That's nearly a 35% paycut, lebron wade and Bosh did nothing of that nature.

could you help me and lay out the number they could have extended for in CLE or TOR? 3 year extension and then a max after that versus the 5 year they got in Miami?

The reason why Melo's deal is more is because he signed the full extension after his rookie deal, while those three cut the deal off by one year....Melo was scheduled to be a free agent just like them just in 2011.

Lebron was signed and traded for $109,837,500 for 6 years, Bosh signed a similar deal....to do so is to be a free agent.

The most Lebron and co could have gotten was what Joe Johnson got.....6 years 123....now divide that 14 mil into 6 years and you see they left virtually nothing.....just like I stated an average of 2 mil in a tax free state.

skeng wrote:"I'm not going nowhere,"

So wait, is Melo going anywhere or what? It looks to me like he pulled a double negative on everyone's asses

lol, I noticed that from the start, but left that alone. honestly what do you expect from that dude...

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

you are 100% correct, but we both know, there is no evidence to show that he is the type of guy that will take less in order to be in a better situation.. we saw it as he forced his way here.. he didn't care what the knicks had to give up.. he wanted his money, and his wife's reality show..... he is going to money grab, and do so at the expense of the knicks.. why not? most fans still will think he is the "greatest" and doesn't have "help"... the same old, same old...story..

Cant speak for other, but I dont share that view.

The Knicks have shown for decades that a title is irrelevant....they still will be one of the most profitable without it.

which I guess makes this a good fit, a team and a player more concerned with money than winning....

tkf wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

i THINK that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard. but the again, it's mike and mike.. so go figure..

considering Jordan and pippen, Magic and Kareem, and even Lebron and Wade, those comments are of the odd variety... a lot of sensationalism.....

but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

marginal improvements does not win rings... not when you are not close to winning in the first place..