callmened wrote:im a shump fan...mostly because he plays all world defense. but i dont think he'll put up the points that people are expecting. i think hes thabo sefolosha with more "flair". i do think he'll improve his shooting...and thats fine..im not expecting more than 12ppg/6rebs/3asts...hes a role player not a star...

hey we'll see

those numbers are ambitious, especially the rebounding numbers..

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:im a shump fan...mostly because he plays all world defense. but i dont think he'll put up the points that people are expecting. i think hes thabo sefolosha with more "flair". i do think he'll improve his shooting...and thats fine..im not expecting more than 12ppg/6rebs/3asts...hes a role player not a star...

hey we'll see

those numbers are ambitious, especially the rebounding numbers..

Shump averaged 6 rpg in the playoffs in about 28 minutes, not too far from reality.

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:im a shump fan...mostly because he plays all world defense. but i dont think he'll put up the points that people are expecting. i think hes thabo sefolosha with more "flair". i do think he'll improve his shooting...and thats fine..im not expecting more than 12ppg/6rebs/3asts...hes a role player not a star...

hey we'll see

those numbers are ambitious, especially the rebounding numbers..

Shump averaged 6 rpg in the playoffs in about 28 minutes, not too far from reality.

LANCE STEPHENSON AVERAGED almost 8 boards a game during the entire playoffs and he played more games. I would not expect that at this point from lance during the regular season....

one series does a reality not make.... we have to be careful with these small sample sizes.. I would be happy with 4 boards a game... that would be a one board improvement.. over 45 games he averaged 3boards per....an increase of a board per game, considering his minutes, what may be asked of him, is a good improvement... I am trying to approach this realistically..

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:im a shump fan...mostly because he plays all world defense. but i dont think he'll put up the points that people are expecting. i think hes thabo sefolosha with more "flair". i do think he'll improve his shooting...and thats fine..im not expecting more than 12ppg/6rebs/3asts...hes a role player not a star...

hey we'll see

those numbers are ambitious, especially the rebounding numbers..

Shump averaged 6 rpg in the playoffs in about 28 minutes, not too far from reality.

LANCE STEPHENSON AVERAGED almost 8 boards a game during the entire playoffs and he played more games. I would not expect that at this point from lance during the regular season....

one series does a reality not make.... we have to be careful with these small sample sizes.. I would be happy with 4 boards a game... that would be a one board improvement.. over 45 games he averaged 3boards per....an increase of a board per game, considering his minutes, what may be asked of him, is a good improvement... I am trying to approach this realistically..

WTF does Lance Stephenson have to do with what Shump is capable of... NOTHING.

BTW, it was 2 series.

yellowboy90 wrote:last year Shump avg 4.9 rebs last year per 36 so I can easly see a jump with more minutes and good health. Then you have his playoff numbers which have been mentioned and they were great.

do you expect shumpert to play 36 minutes?

And since we are counting playoff number, what about the players that produced poorly? what should you expect out of them?

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:im a shump fan...mostly because he plays all world defense. but i dont think he'll put up the points that people are expecting. i think hes thabo sefolosha with more "flair". i do think he'll improve his shooting...and thats fine..im not expecting more than 12ppg/6rebs/3asts...hes a role player not a star...

hey we'll see

those numbers are ambitious, especially the rebounding numbers..

Shump averaged 6 rpg in the playoffs in about 28 minutes, not too far from reality.

LANCE STEPHENSON AVERAGED almost 8 boards a game during the entire playoffs and he played more games. I would not expect that at this point from lance during the regular season....

one series does a reality not make.... we have to be careful with these small sample sizes.. I would be happy with 4 boards a game... that would be a one board improvement.. over 45 games he averaged 3boards per....an increase of a board per game, considering his minutes, what may be asked of him, is a good improvement... I am trying to approach this realistically..

WTF does Lance Stephenson have to do with what Shump is capable of... NOTHING.

BTW, it was 2 series.

nothing martin, if you can't see the contrast, then i don't know what to tell you..

but I am asking what does 12 playoff games have to do with 82 regular season games when it comes out to projecting production?

it doesn't, but the play suggests what Shump is capable of.

in 2013 on a 36 per this year, he averaged 4.9RPG. First couple of months he wasn't healthy or near 100%. Suggests with minutes he is capable of more than 5, which suggests that 6 rebounds isn't out of norm or possible.

martin, for the record, I don't use the per 36 minutes.. I will quote barkley and it applies for the per 36 minutes as well..

To quote the great Charles Barkley, the only reason you need to calculate what a player would do in 48 minutes is because he’s not good enough to play all 48 minutes.

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:last year Shump avg 4.9 rebs last year per 36 so I can easly see a jump with more minutes and good health. Then you have his playoff numbers which have been mentioned and they were great.

do you expect shumpert to play 36 minutes?

And since we are counting playoff number, what about the players that produced poorly? what should you expect out of them?

I expect him to play around 33 minutes a game now that he is seasoned and healthy.

Regarding the playoffs numbers: that's just a secondary caveat but you can do what you like in your projections. I am sure you wouldn't use any opponents playoff performance to predict player/team expected performance for this year.

yellowboy90 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:last year Shump avg 4.9 rebs last year per 36 so I can easly see a jump with more minutes and good health. Then you have his playoff numbers which have been mentioned and they were great.

do you expect shumpert to play 36 minutes?

And since we are counting playoff number, what about the players that produced poorly? what should you expect out of them?

I expect him to play around 33 minutes a game now that he is seasoned and healthy.

Regarding the playoffs numbers: that's just a secondary caveat but you can do what you like in your projections. I am sure you wouldn't use any opponents playoff performance to predict player/team expected performance for this year.

no I used opponents playoff performance to project what they can possibly do next year in the playoffs, considering things stay the same or improved and what has improved around them...

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:last year Shump avg 4.9 rebs last year per 36 so I can easly see a jump with more minutes and good health. Then you have his playoff numbers which have been mentioned and they were great.

do you expect shumpert to play 36 minutes?

And since we are counting playoff number, what about the players that produced poorly? what should you expect out of them?

Seriously dude, all you do is come to these forums and whine and complain. All negative. Out of nowhere, you are asking about poor play that has nothing to do with topic. It's becoming quite pathetic.

no, again, why take the discussion off base.. all I am trying to do is gauge how people are basing their arguments.. what criteria they are using..

if I said I expect felton to average 20/10 wouldn't you ask how I came up with that? I really don't see why you need to adress me that way... I asked a simple question...

gunsewing made somewhat the most realistic post in this thread, and I agreed with him, but no that is not good enough.. If I am not calling shumpert the next wade then I am negative.. where where you when I was advocating building a backcourt of lin and shumpert.....where where you? was I negative then martin?

not every knick player is going to be great man...

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:last year Shump avg 4.9 rebs last year per 36 so I can easly see a jump with more minutes and good health. Then you have his playoff numbers which have been mentioned and they were great.

do you expect shumpert to play 36 minutes?

And since we are counting playoff number, what about the players that produced poorly? what should you expect out of them?

Seriously dude, all you do is come to these forums and whine and complain. All negative. Out of nowhere, you are asking about poor play that has nothing to do with topic. It's becoming quite pathetic.

martin, if you don't let tkf fulfill his God-given posting role, I'm going to call a mod.