nixluva wrote:knickscity wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't agree that Hibbert has reached some new level of performance. He's gonna have to prove that with a repeat performance in the regular season and playoffs. A lot of the way he looked was due to the lack of anyone his size defending him. Tyson normally doesn't get dominated and I believe he wasn't right last year. In the end it's not totally about individual match ups. The Knicks lost as a team and from poor team execution. We didn't get enough scoring from the rest of the team, lacked balance and versatility and the team defense also wasn't up to the task. This is almost going to be a different team facing the Pacers. We'll have more options offensively and more balance to the scoring. We have to hope that we can keep Tyson fresh for the playoffs so he won't be weak as he was last playoffs. I'm assuming Grunwald will eventually add another C to back him up.
We'll have some more options that will make it much harder for the Pacers to sit back in the paint and just wait for Melo to come at them. Someone is going to have to deal with the additional threats we'll be putting on the floor. They won't be able to just relax and not worry about Kidd anymore. They likely won't have the luxury of a slumping and injured JR. We'll have far more weapons for them to have to worry about.
Scola will help the Pacers as would a healthy Granger. These 2 teams will be very competitive. I think that too many Knick fans give the Pacers too much credit for that playoff series and not recognizing that the Knicks weren't at full strength. The Pacers were strong and the Knicks were fading. This is why it was important for the Knicks to get younger, deeper and more talented.
I saw pictures of Hibbert--he looks unbelievable. If it improves his play where he is able to shut off interiors and score 17 points game on the other end--then hes an unstoppable difference maker with the rest of their make up.
I still have to see Hibbert be consistently good before giving him that much credit. He had a very good post season last year, but that doesn't mean he's gonna dominate for 82 games this year. I have to see that before I believe it.
Roy Hibbert Stats
Regular Season Averages
SEASON GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'08-'09 70 41 14.4 2.8-6.0 .471 .000 1.4-2.1 .667 1.6 1.8 3.5 0.7 1.1 0.3 3.1 0.8 7.1
'09-'10 81 69 25.1 4.8-9.7 .495 .500 2.1-2.8 .754 2.2 3.5 5.7 2.0 1.6 0.4 3.5 1.8 11.7
'10-'11 81 80 27.7 5.1-11.0 .461 .000 2.5-3.4 .745 2.3 5.3 7.5 2.0 1.8 0.4 3.2 2.3 12.7
'11-'12 65 65 29.8 5.1-10.3 .497 .000 2.6-3.7 .711 3.3 5.5 8.8 1.7 2.0 0.5 3.0 2.0 12.8
'12-'13 79 79 28.7 4.9-10.9 .448 .250 2.1-2.8 .741 3.8 4.6 8.3 1.4 2.6 0.5 3.5 2.1 11.9
Career 376 334 25.3 4.6-9.6 .473 .267 2.1-2.9 .729 2.6 4.2 6.8 1.6 1.8 0.4 3.3 1.8 11.3
Hibbert has been less than dominant IMO. He's a real weapon, but we'll have to see if he can produce as an elite C over the course of an entire season and playoffs or will he be the mystery he's often been.
What exactly are you looking to see? he isnt a dominant option on offense, the pacers only used him in that fashion because of the opponents they faced with a ton of second chance points, but he gets a ton of offensive rebounds and blocks shots, which is his game, which is clear by the data you yourself just presented.If it were any other center i probably would question, but georgetown rarely puts out garbage.
My point is evident. He can be a force in the paint, but this playoff was the first time he ever displayed the kind of offensive explosion he did in that small snapshot of 19 games. He's never been consistently dominant over the course of a season and it's possible he just had a hot streak in the playoffs. One great playoff run doesn't make a career. People are putting way to much credit on that one showing. They bash AB for not being over 50% and give Hibbert a pass. Hibbert is a big dude and he guards the basket at a high level but he also disappears in far too many games.
I'm anxious to see how he does this year against a Knicks team that he can't just camp out in the paint against. I think teams will show him different looks this year and try to get him in more uncomfortable situations. If he's not able to camp in the paint and just wait for players to be funneled into him, he's far less effective. What happens if the Pacers have to face the Bulls this year? How will they do against the Nets? It's going to be very interesting.
So let me get this straight....
You're upset because Hibbert is getting credit for what he actually did do? Bargnani hasnt even suited up yet....he's done nothing.
Points from Hibbert is a bonus...thats not his game, he scores mainly off someones misses.... his game is clogging the middle rebounding on the offensive end and blocking and altering shots.
Now if you say he's inconsistent in that...you are being severely dishonest.
I doubt that changes no matter who he plays, the Pacers are legit, they are the team that give the champs the battle for two straight years, although I'd love to see the Pacers play the Bulls...mainly because I want to see two great defenses go at each other.
I just find this convo so odd that as Knicks fans we want to get credit and respect for so little, but when other do better...it's dismissed by us as a fluke.
The Pacers have nothing to prove other than beating Miami....we on the other hand gotta prove we can even beat the runner up.
9/2/2013 4:36 PM
