jrodmc wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:People want this to go by what the rumor is and not what the tape says. The dude is a good player. Knicks will be better because of it.

Nobody has questioned his talent. In fact people ahve been very fair/objective when it comes to bargnani. Yes ihe can shoot for a big man and that will help against most teams. However the Knicks biggets weakness is inside. Also you have to take into account that Bargnani has been injury prone.

your right and I hope we get another big but, I see Bargs as more of a Novak replacement than an actual big. People focus on his size as opposed to his personal style of play. He is a big that never learned to play like a big imo.....more like guys who plays guard as a teenagers then has this huge growth spurt. At that point, it's hard to completely alter your game to suit what people think it should be because of your size.

Bargs game is nothing like Novaks... that's the point of the tape. You guys wanna say he is a Novak replacement but he is way more than a 3pt specialist. The dude can score all over the court and he will drive and dunk on your team. When had Novak ever done that.?

Bargs isn't Shaq and he isn't Patrick Ewing. The dude is still very good. He's a capable starter and legit scorer when healthy. Health is the issue. Training camp will solve all doubts.

you obviously didn't read or comprehend my entire post. I didn't describe Bargs as a one e dimensional 3point shooter. I said he played like a guard who had a huge growth spurt and never learned to change his game. That doesn't sound like Novak to me!!

Plllllllusss 1

Barg's is going to stretch the floor and, if he stays healthy, give us the Bosh effect on O. Spread 'em, Hibbert!

And let's see, Woody took a career psycho and got him to SMOTY, and Melo averaged 8 rpg and showed flashes on D. Things can happen here.

The league owes us a year of health.

Watch the games!

callmened wrote:i think bargs can do it ALL offesively...assuming hes healthy

but im not worried about his offense...its his defense that concerns me...i dont want him playing more than 20 mins with his horrible defense and poor rebounding!

Each unit will have defensive players Artest Chandler Prigioni Martin Shumpert Im not worried about anyone 1 individual--all he has to do is play into a team D and use that 7 foot size to get easy baskets on the O and clog the paint on the D.

callmened wrote:i think bargs can do it ALL offesively...assuming hes healthy

but im not worried about his offense...its his defense that concerns me...i dont want him playing more than 20 mins with his horrible defense and poor rebounding!

He is a very good post defender that struggles with rim protection and help D if you go by the numbers. When he played with Bosh he was the primary defender. Now he has solid wing defenders and post defenders helping him.

I'm intrigued to see what happens.

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Here's one of Bargs hanging 24 points and 12 boards (no that's not a typo) on the Knicks:

Notice how all the attention that Bosh attracts opens up things for Bargs. Imagine what he'll do playing next to Melo.

I see Woody using AB in the post like Amar'e and also in PnP and a little out at 3pt range like Sheed would do from time to time, but not like Novak. AB is too talented to limit in any kind of way. Give him touches and let him get hot and no one is gonna be able to stop him. It's all going to be about the coaching and what Woodson demands of AB. Woody will have to call plays that force AB to be close to the basket where he can do work.

callmened wrote:As you can tell im not a fan of bargs (even though i was a fan of the trade...shorter contract and an expiring contract next yr). I have no concerns about his offense. I think theyll find a way for him to score. I work about his defense, rebounding, injurysand hustle. His presense makes us softer despite his size.

I really hope he proves me wrong

Well Bargnani is a better man defender than Novak and a better scorer than Camby. I think he can be fine in a team defensive scheme where you have Tyson in the mix. If you put 2 7'ers in there you should be able to get some defense out of them. It's not impossible for AB to be taught the team defensive concept and where he can fit in. When people talk about AB's defense they are really talking about his awareness and help defense. They expect that he will know when to rotate and give help setting down the lane. Woody should be able to teach him what his assignments are and the way he should move on D to help close down lanes.

Woody should be able to teach AB to patrol his space on the floor and be a menace with his length. I don't believe that AB is a lost cause. Not when you have a winning culture and more accountability from teammates who know what it means to play winning ball. He didn't have that kind of peer pressure in Toronto.

bargs is def an upgrade over camby and novak..no matter how much i dont like bargs, i can acknowledge that hes still an upgrade

im hoping that woody's defensive principals (switching & hybrid zone) cover up his deficiencies.

but there are other concerns...his injuries and EFFORT..that you cant coach

nixluva wrote:You want your big to be versatile. That's what Sheed could do when he was in his prime. Woody is gonna want to take advantage of having another 7'er and one that can do it all on the floor. Where is AB not able to score? He can post, PnR/PnP, drive and finish, turn around jumper and yes hit 3's. If you're a good coach you should be able to put him in great position to do damage every night.

I see Woody using AB in the post like Amar'e and also in PnP and a little out at 3pt range like Sheed would do from time to time, but not like Novak. AB is too talented to limit in any kind of way. Give him touches and let him get hot and no one is gonna be able to stop him. It's all going to be about the coaching and what Woodson demands of AB. Woody will have to call plays that force AB to be close to the basket where he can do work.

Giving him *free reign* caused Bargs to play inconsistent his whole career. You want to give him some basketball discipline--his basketball IQ needs work so to speak. He needs to play smarter basketball--use his incredible assets and touch the right way. Its ok to take 1-2 open 3's a game---but thats that. For his efficiency to improve he must be a majority 14 feet and in.