Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:NBA players get better each year. The best have to improve just to keep up.

Melo led the league in scoring last year and was a major draw in the league on one of the flagship franchise's.

He has to imporove just to keep his status. Same for Durant, CP3, Lebron, etc. etc.............

Some still do get better at a rate faster then the rest of the league.

What will Melo do? We'll find out!!!!

Dude is a pure scorer, accept his game for what it is.

ONly guy I can see in the league that can carry a franchise himself is Lebron.

I am curious, I hear that term a lot "pure scorer" what does that mean?

Lead the league in scoring? Not a faciliator. Not a great rebounder. Not a shot blocker.

No, he is not Lebron or michael. yes, many have inflated his stature. He is not and MVP type player.

But he is going to the Hall of fame based on his scoring ability. Thats what he does. Can he be part of an ensomble that can win a championship? Maybe.

YOu don't like the guy, eh?

ok, so all you have to do is lead the lead the league in scoring and do nothing else?

so I guess he is the only pure scorer to ever live then?

I am not sure of your definition nalod..

smackeddog wrote:

Vmart wrote:Efficiency, that should be the goal. 50% FG if he can't do that then I don't consider him a superstar, good player yes but certainly not superstar worthy.

I hate this modern day obsession with efficiency- no one gave a crap about it back in the nba's heyday, and we managed just fine!

AGREED. Guys focus too much on stats which fail to tell the whole story. Either watch the games and make your decisions based on what you see as opposed to some statistics. For every pro stat, you can usually find a negative to go with it. I hate stats.

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:NBA players get better each year. The best have to improve just to keep up.

Melo led the league in scoring last year and was a major draw in the league on one of the flagship franchise's.

He has to imporove just to keep his status. Same for Durant, CP3, Lebron, etc. etc.............

Some still do get better at a rate faster then the rest of the league.

What will Melo do? We'll find out!!!!

Dude is a pure scorer, accept his game for what it is.

ONly guy I can see in the league that can carry a franchise himself is Lebron.

I am curious, I hear that term a lot "pure scorer" what does that mean?

“He’s going to be a phenomenal player in our league. And he does it with a smile on his face while respecting his teammates and the game. The more important the game, the more important the possession is, the better he is.”
—Veteran NBA coach Larry Brown

“Carmelo is more than a scorer. He’s going to be a very good rebounder and a great passer.”
—Former NBA star Kiki Vandeweghe

“He’s similar to a Grant Hill and a Tracy McGrady. He’s long, athletic and got the same kind of abilities at the same stage. If anything, he’s more under control.”
—Carmelo’s coach at Oak Hill Steve Smith

“He’s the best. A lot of guys can shoot, and a lot of guys can post up. But he can do both.”
—Former Syracuse teammate Gerry McNamara

A pure scorer scores in a number of ways, including free throws. And scores consistently. Like every game, year after year. It's not really that hard to understand. Melo scores the ball. Alot. It's not "efficient scorer", or "high percentage scorer" or "Artis Gilmore scorer" or "Chris Paul scorer".
Pure scorer.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:NBA players get better each year. The best have to improve just to keep up.

Melo led the league in scoring last year and was a major draw in the league on one of the flagship franchise's.

He has to imporove just to keep his status. Same for Durant, CP3, Lebron, etc. etc.............

Some still do get better at a rate faster then the rest of the league.

What will Melo do? We'll find out!!!!

Dude is a pure scorer, accept his game for what it is.

ONly guy I can see in the league that can carry a franchise himself is Lebron.

I am curious, I hear that term a lot "pure scorer" what does that mean?

“He’s going to be a phenomenal player in our league. And he does it with a smile on his face while respecting his teammates and the game. The more important the game, the more important the possession is, the better he is.”
—Veteran NBA coach Larry Brown

“Carmelo is more than a scorer. He’s going to be a very good rebounder and a great passer.”
—Former NBA star Kiki Vandeweghe

“He’s similar to a Grant Hill and a Tracy McGrady. He’s long, athletic and got the same kind of abilities at the same stage. If anything, he’s more under control.”
—Carmelo’s coach at Oak Hill Steve Smith

“He’s the best. A lot of guys can shoot, and a lot of guys can post up. But he can do both.”
—Former Syracuse teammate Gerry McNamara

A pure scorer scores in a number of ways, including free throws. And scores consistently. Like every game, year after year. It's not really that hard to understand. Melo scores the ball. Alot. It's not "efficient scorer", or "high percentage scorer" or "Artis Gilmore scorer" or "Chris Paul scorer".
Pure scorer.

those are some pretty smart guys you quoted there.. just goes to show, no matter how smart you are, you can't predict the future...

kiki was dead wrong, Brown was wrong, but didn't talk so much about what he will do.. brown is no fool.. LOL.... the HS coach and Mcnamara are pretty much blindly waving pom poms....

in the end, they were all pretty much off....

if carmelo was similar to T-mac or Grant hill, i would have no problems with his game... maybe he would have had better playoff success..

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:NBA players get better each year. The best have to improve just to keep up.

Melo led the league in scoring last year and was a major draw in the league on one of the flagship franchise's.

He has to imporove just to keep his status. Same for Durant, CP3, Lebron, etc. etc.............

Some still do get better at a rate faster then the rest of the league.

What will Melo do? We'll find out!!!!

Dude is a pure scorer, accept his game for what it is.

ONly guy I can see in the league that can carry a franchise himself is Lebron.

I am curious, I hear that term a lot "pure scorer" what does that mean?

Lead the league in scoring? Not a faciliator. Not a great rebounder. Not a shot blocker.

No, he is not Lebron or michael. yes, many have inflated his stature. He is not and MVP type player.

But he is going to the Hall of fame based on his scoring ability. Thats what he does. Can he be part of an ensomble that can win a championship? Maybe.

YOu don't like the guy, eh?

ok, so all you have to do is lead the lead the league in scoring and do nothing else?

so I guess he is the only pure scorer to ever live then?

I am not sure of your definition nalod..

Alot of great players in the Hall or going to the Hall of Fame weren't all around players, they just excelled at one thing (George Gervin, Dennis Rodman, Mark Jackson).

Just sayin'.

so what are you saying? is the HOF no big deal then? I guess my question is, and again i ask.. what do you guys mean by "pure scorer".....

How many examples do you need of pure scorer? It's been re-stated countless times in this forum since Melo's been here.

melo's career averages are below both these averages with the exception of 3 seasons at the beginning of his career. in a way he is cashing on on those seasons which are ancient history and he has not expanded his game since then.

he is a volume scorer not a pure scorer, ie he gets all those points on way more than his fair share of shot attempts, given how crappy he is at other aspects of the team game.

worse yet, those percentages drop off during the playoffs, ie when great players elevate their games by finding other ways to win or by maintaining their regular-season percentages.

can't wait to see this vaunted pick and roll game with melo so he can make me eat my words finally.

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:NBA players get better each year. The best have to improve just to keep up.

Melo led the league in scoring last year and was a major draw in the league on one of the flagship franchise's.

He has to imporove just to keep his status. Same for Durant, CP3, Lebron, etc. etc.............

Some still do get better at a rate faster then the rest of the league.

What will Melo do? We'll find out!!!!

Dude is a pure scorer, accept his game for what it is.

ONly guy I can see in the league that can carry a franchise himself is Lebron.

I am curious, I hear that term a lot "pure scorer" what does that mean?

I always thought pure scores were efficient players how can a 44% shooter be a pure anything.

DurzoBlint wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Vmart wrote:Efficiency, that should be the goal. 50% FG if he can't do that then I don't consider him a superstar, good player yes but certainly not superstar worthy.

I hate this modern day obsession with efficiency- no one gave a crap about it back in the nba's heyday, and we managed just fine!

AGREED. Guys focus too much on stats which fail to tell the whole story. Either watch the games and make your decisions based on what you see as opposed to some statistics. For every pro stat, you can usually find a negative to go with it. I hate stats.

I watch the games and he has all the tools to be an efficient player, but he doesn't know when to stop and use teammates. Efficiency and execution work hand in hand. That is why efficiency is so important in the NBA.

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:This isn't so much about what Melo has been as it is about what he could do if he really does look to score more off PnP and using more team oriented plays to score in the flow of the offense. I'm not expecting Melo to become Lebron or anyone else. I just want Melo to be the best "Melo" he can be. This guy can play better. Melo can be a more willing passer and we've seen him do it. Melo can play within an offense and not have to rely on ISO plays. It's all on Melo. If Melo makes up his mind to play more within the offense, use picks and screens, look to catch and shoot, give the ball up knowing he'll get it back, then he'll reach his full potential.

well even you mentioned that dantoni tried to get him to do this, and he didn't want to, pretty much sabotaged the team and got dantoni fired.. now we are supposed to believe that he is looking to improve his game this way after blatantly rejecting it in the recent past?

Well remember the entire point of this thread is that these are words coming from Melo and his Trainer. In the past we were talking about Melo being TOLD to make changes. There's a difference when it's coming from the player himself and he's not feeling pushed into anything.

I know Melo can do this because he did it in stretches under MDA on the Knicks and on the Olympic team. Last year at the start of the year he did it with Woody. So Melo can in fact play more efficient team oriented BB. If Melo himself works on scoring off PnP and catch and shoot off curls then he'll get better at it and he'll look to do it more often per game. It's about what Melo prioritizes in his workouts. Think about how Ray Allen works on his game and how that translates into games. If Melo is actually drilling PnP and Catch and shoot in addition to going quick after getting the ball in the post rather than holding and waiting then he'll be more efficient.

Remember that in the Playoffs when Melo went quick before the double teams or help could come he was much more effective. He was playing more like Bernard King and it made a huge difference. What we don't want is a ton of ISO plays were he holds the ball and freezes the rest of the offense.