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StarksEwing1
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8/4/2013  1:56 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I think Bargnani has ALOT to prove. I hope to god he is a steal. But to be fair Bargnani hasnt lived up to expectations. he needs to stay heatlthy and motivated which have been 2 problems for him the last 2 years.

yea and for novak and camby? he can't be anything but a steal

Well i wanst totally endorsing Bargnani. I still think teh jury is still out on him. I have followed him during his career and he has many flaws that i dont like. He is kind of soft of teh defensive side for a 7 footer, also his motivavtion has been question ed and he is injury prone. As a Knick fan i hope he finally lives up to expectation but eh has to prove it
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8/4/2013  1:58 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
playa2 wrote:... Because it meant nothing to us to lose Novak and Camby, it's all about bringing in guys who play and help us to win.

which is why melo thinks getting bargs was...a steal.


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Well Well Well the same old guys sayin the same old negetive stuff. Well get this!! He is on the team weather you like it or not. You can wish him the best or just don't watch the games this season. Believe me no one will miss you.

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8/4/2013  2:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2013  2:08 PM
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Look how come every team in the NBA would pay dearlly to get Melo so you can say what you want. Melo made a statement about Bargs and he has a right to his opinon. you have a right to you usual negetive opinion.

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8/4/2013  2:39 PM
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nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Melo loves volume shooting PFs who struggle in all other aspects of the game

whats the point of this comment?

you can say the same thing about this thread to be honest..

tkf, if you got nothing to add to a thread, please don't. Thanks.

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8/4/2013  2:41 PM
Nalod wrote:Melo don't care about draft picks?
You don't think that next year when the new deputy commissioner announces, 'with the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' that he wom't have regrets that there won't be a new Erie Bayhawk?
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8/4/2013  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2013  2:49 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Melo don't care about draft picks?
You don't think that next year when the new deputy commissioner announces, 'with the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' that he wom't have regrets that there won't be a new Erie Bayhawk?
Well to be fair nobody won the bragnani trade yet. THe Raptors got a lot more than they expected considering nobody wnated Bargnani. I hope Bargnani doesnt fail but we will see
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8/4/2013  2:53 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I think Bargnani has ALOT to prove. I hope to god he is a steal. But to be fair Bargnani hasnt lived up to expectations. he needs to stay heatlthy and motivated which have been 2 problems for him the last 2 years.

yea and for novak and camby? he can't be anything but a steal

Well i wanst totally endorsing Bargnani. I still think teh jury is still out on him. I have followed him during his career and he has many flaws that i dont like. He is kind of soft of teh defensive side for a 7 footer, also his motivavtion has been question ed and he is injury prone. As a Knick fan i hope he finally lives up to expectation but eh has to prove it

yea jury out on bargs and there is no way he can be worse than novak and camby!!!

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8/4/2013  2:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2013  2:59 PM
There is no jury on Bargnani any more than there was a jury waiting to declare Novak guilty or innocent of earning his chedda.

Don't believe what you read in the papers

Bargnani gets a fresh start in New York. A blank slate that starts in October in Greenburgh.

No pressure.

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8/4/2013  3:11 PM
misterearl wrote:There is no jury on Bargnani any more than there was a jury waiting to declare Novak guilty or innocent of earning his chedda.

Don't believe what you read in the papers

Bargnani gets a fresh start in New York. A blank slate that starts in October in Greenburgh.

No pressure.

I hope you are right but i still need to see improvements from him. I have followed his career since he was the number 1 pick. I like that he is a 7 footer that can shoot. However he needs to improve his defense a little and i want to see more intensity from him. Also he nee to stay healthy but i dont blame him for that because everyone gets injured from time to time
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8/4/2013  4:10 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Look how come every team in the NBA would pay dearlly to get Melo so you can say what you want. Melo made a statement about Bargs and he has a right to his opinon. you have a right to you usual negetive opinion.

you really believe that?

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8/4/2013  4:15 PM
martin wrote:
tkf wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Melo loves volume shooting PFs who struggle in all other aspects of the game

whats the point of this comment?

you can say the same thing about this thread to be honest..

tkf, if you got nothing to add to a thread, please don't. Thanks.

of course I have something to add.. unfortunately it may not be what most want to hear..

because unlike carmelo and many others.. I don't think this was a steal at all..

I think it was another silly trade.. but honestly, wouldn't this line of conversation be regurgitating the bargs trade thread?

so really where is this going to lead? which is why I am confused why such a thread, when it pretty much leads down the same road of previous bargs threads....

so yes i will contribute, just don't want to be accused of complaining about the same thing.. my opinion hasn't changed.. unless the OP created this thread hoping some people changed their minds?

I don't know...

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8/4/2013  4:21 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Melo don't care about draft picks?
You don't think that next year when the new deputy commissioner announces, 'with the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' that he wom't have regrets that there won't be a new Erie Bayhawk?

Personally I like the trade. Im with melo, I don't care about 1st round picks anymore because MSG don't, so I go year to year and just enjoy the product they put on the floor. If they suck, well so be it.

I don't suffer from NetHate so I figure if knicks don't get the job done, then Nets might. Im in the carolinas and can watch the HorCat's rebuild with picks and see how those Utes fair.

Im rooting hard for the Knicks to succeed and will watch 40-50 games this year as I usually do.

Lets be accurate regarding draft picks:

According to Playa, we all gonna be under marshall law by 2016 so I guess no pick then anyway.
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8/4/2013  4:28 PM
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Melo don't care about draft picks?
You don't think that next year when the new deputy commissioner announces, 'with the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' that he wom't have regrets that there won't be a new Erie Bayhawk?

Personally I like the trade. Im with melo, I don't care about 1st round picks anymore because MSG don't, so I go year to year and just enjoy the product they put on the floor. If they suck, well so be it.

I don't suffer from NetHate so I figure if knicks don't get the job done, then Nets might. Im in the carolinas and can watch the HorCat's rebuild with picks and see how those Utes fair.

Im rooting hard for the Knicks to succeed and will watch 40-50 games this year as I usually do.

Lets be accurate regarding draft picks:

According to Playa, we all gonna be under marshall law by 2016 so I guess no pick then anyway.

I agree not all draft picks are sure things. But my only problem is taht the raptors were trying desperately to dump bargnani and nobody would bite. My only problem is that the knicks tend to give in to trades.
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8/4/2013  4:46 PM
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Melo don't care about draft picks?
You don't think that next year when the new deputy commissioner announces, 'with the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' that he wom't have regrets that there won't be a new Erie Bayhawk?

Personally I like the trade. Im with melo, I don't care about 1st round picks anymore because MSG don't, so I go year to year and just enjoy the product they put on the floor. If they suck, well so be it.

I don't suffer from NetHate so I figure if knicks don't get the job done, then Nets might. Im in the carolinas and can watch the HorCat's rebuild with picks and see how those Utes fair.

Im rooting hard for the Knicks to succeed and will watch 40-50 games this year as I usually do.

Lets be accurate regarding draft picks:

According to Playa, we all gonna be under marshall law by 2016 so I guess no pick then anyway.

I love the draft. I love when the Knicks have picks. But I don't get worked up when the Knicks include second rounders in a trade. I don't think the compromised first in 2016 is a lot to give up for a guy that is 7 feet and was the former number one pick. I only watch the Raps when they play the Knicks but it seems like Bargs always had big games against the Knicks.
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8/4/2013  5:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Melo don't care about draft picks?
You don't think that next year when the new deputy commissioner announces, 'with the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' that he wom't have regrets that there won't be a new Erie Bayhawk?

Personally I like the trade. Im with melo, I don't care about 1st round picks anymore because MSG don't, so I go year to year and just enjoy the product they put on the floor. If they suck, well so be it.

I don't suffer from NetHate so I figure if knicks don't get the job done, then Nets might. Im in the carolinas and can watch the HorCat's rebuild with picks and see how those Utes fair.

Im rooting hard for the Knicks to succeed and will watch 40-50 games this year as I usually do.

Lets be accurate regarding draft picks:

According to Playa, we all gonna be under marshall law by 2016 so I guess no pick then anyway.

I love the draft. I love when the Knicks have picks. But I don't get worked up when the Knicks include second rounders in a trade. I don't think the compromised first in 2016 is a lot to give up for a guy that is 7 feet and was the former number one pick. I only watch the Raps when they play the Knicks but it seems like Bargs always had big games against the Knicks.
Your last sentence was the key. Many players especially role players have big games against the knicks. Now im not calling bargnani a role player but i do follow barganni. My friend is from toronto and he is a big basketball fan. Bargnani is 7 feet and he can score. However his defense is pretty bad and he is a bit soft in the inside. Also his motor(motivation) has been questioned a lot. Most of all he has been injury prone the past 2 years. Now im not trying to hate the guy in fact i wnat him to succeed because im a huge knick fan. However theer are legit concerns over this guy
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8/4/2013  5:10 PM
We need a player like AB. Melo is just voicing the truth. This team needed offensive punch from other than Melo and JR and so there's no reason not to be optimistic about adding AB in exchange for Camby and Novak who gave us nothing. Even AB at his worst is an upgrade, so I don't know what people are talking about when they're down on this move. How can you be down on a move where you add a younger talent in exchange for 2 guys who gave you next to nothing? At his best AB is really good and at his worst he's still better than what we gave up. PERIOD.
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8/4/2013  5:12 PM
tkf wrote:
martin wrote:
tkf wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Melo loves volume shooting PFs who struggle in all other aspects of the game

whats the point of this comment?

you can say the same thing about this thread to be honest..

tkf, if you got nothing to add to a thread, please don't. Thanks.

of course I have something to add.. unfortunately it may not be what most want to hear..

because unlike carmelo and many others.. I don't think this was a steal at all..

I think it was another silly trade.. but honestly, wouldn't this line of conversation be regurgitating the bargs trade thread?

so really where is this going to lead? which is why I am confused why such a thread, when it pretty much leads down the same road of previous bargs threads....

so yes i will contribute, just don't want to be accused of complaining about the same thing.. my opinion hasn't changed.. unless the OP created this thread hoping some people changed their minds?

I don't know...

That was just one of your 3 to 4 daily "Martin warnings." You're adding plenty IMO.
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8/4/2013  5:17 PM
nixluva wrote:We need a player like AB. Melo is just voicing the truth. This team needed offensive punch from other than Melo and JR and so there's no reason not to be optimistic about adding AB in exchange for Camby and Novak who gave us nothing. Even AB at his worst is an upgrade, so I don't know what people are talking about when they're down on this move. How can you be down on a move where you add a younger talent in exchange for 2 guys who gave you next to nothing? At his best AB is really good and at his worst he's still better than what we gave up. PERIOD.
If it was just for novak and camby then no problem but the fact that we had to give up 3 picks for him especially having a injury prone 2 years is a gamble. I mean toronto fans were actually thanking us for not only taking him but actually giving them value. Like i said before the draft picks arent a sure thing but bargnani isnt either
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8/4/2013  5:58 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:We need a player like AB. Melo is just voicing the truth. This team needed offensive punch from other than Melo and JR and so there's no reason not to be optimistic about adding AB in exchange for Camby and Novak who gave us nothing. Even AB at his worst is an upgrade, so I don't know what people are talking about when they're down on this move. How can you be down on a move where you add a younger talent in exchange for 2 guys who gave you next to nothing? At his best AB is really good and at his worst he's still better than what we gave up. PERIOD.
If it was just for novak and camby then no problem but the fact that we had to give up 3 picks for him especially having a injury prone 2 years is a gamble. I mean toronto fans were actually thanking us for not only taking him but actually giving them value. Like i said before the draft picks arent a sure thing but bargnani isnt either

This is how I feel also. No one is saying AB would not be a good fit for this team. We are saying that we paid much more than we had to. This is the case for almost every trade the Knicks do. The way I look at it is a lot of people would love to buy a BMW. Those same people would look at that purchase a lot more differently if you were paying Ferrari prices for that same BMW. Now I know that is an extreme but I use it to show that you can like the person in the trade but still not like the trade because we overpaid for what his value was at the time. In the future I hope he plays so well that I don't care anymore that we overpaid for him.
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8/4/2013  6:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2013  6:24 PM
Clean - in order to get, you've gotta give.

There is not a single NBA general manager who follows the "dreck for quality" that too many amateur, wanna be, fantasy leaguers subscribe to. There is no such thing as acquiring quality for spare parts and without some sacrifice... or a sharp pinch of nostalgia. Never.

Will we miss the Discount Novachexk?

Absolutely.

Will Marcis Camby always reminds some of us of the magical run of 1999? Sho' you right. Things change. Nothing stays the same. So we may as well stop pining, whining or kvetching over the past and move forward. we got over losing Spree, Oak and Walt Frazier. He'll, even Willie Mays and Hank Aaron were traded. Joe Montana played for the freakin KC Chiefs and Joe Namath played for the Rams. I can get over losing Steve Novak and some picks that are currently unknowns. You move on.

Credit Glen Grunwald for making a move to shore up our frontcourt scoring. Bargnani is an upgrade over Steve Novak.

Credit Gen Grunwald for taking a chance on Ron Artest. ("His momma named him Ron, Imma call him Ron!") Artest is a stone cold upgrade over last years early starter Ronnie Brewer.

If CJ Leslie or Jeremy Tyler proves enough to make the roster, the Answer Man considers either an upgrade over James White.

If Tim Hardaway Jr brings half the intensity of his pops we are good. He will learn the NBA game quickly because he has a godhead start.

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